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Re: styling scrollbars (again)

From: Dylan Schiemann <dylans@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:33:08 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <20010425203308.12122.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com>
To: mjumbe@electricstoat.com, www-style@w3.org

I feel that you don't need a special way to style a
scrollbar, but you need a way to reference it, i.e.:

scrollbarArrow {}
etc. (hopefully with a better nomenclature)

rather than "polluting" css with a number of
additional properties.

The same is "needed" (if you want to be consistent)
for input type=file, which has only one element
reference to describe two visible elements.  So really
I don't think falls under style, but rather under the
DOM.  Presently I think there is little activity in
DOM HTML and DOM Views, but that seems to be the most
appropriate place for getting something added to a
spec. for this behavior.

-Dylan Schiemann

--- Mjumbe Ukweli <mjumbewu@hotmail.com> wrote:
> excuse me while i crusade.
> scroll bars need to be styleable.
> scroll bars are increasingly becoming integral parts
> of web page designs and 
> thus they should be styleable.  to say that it would
> be too intrusive for 
> the designer to dictate how a browser should display
> them is like saying the 
> same of buttons or text boxes.  the appearance of
> these controls are also 
> operating system dependant under normal
> circumstances, but few would 
> disagree that designers should have the freedom to
> overwrite their default 
> appearences.
> in the olden days of yore when the only place a
> scroll bar appeared was on 
> the right side of the window and occasionally at the
> bottom they were easy 
> for designers and users to ignore.  because scroll
> bars may now appear 
> anywhere on a page (with 'overflow: scroll' or with
> '<iframe>'s, which 
> should be part of the Strict DTD, but that's a
> different list) they are no 
> longer purely a part of the user agent -- they are
> parts of page elements 
> and IMO they too should be styled as freely as any
> other.
> keep in mind that i am not requesting that there be
> outrageous and overly 
> confusing styles for scrollbars such that up might
> mean down and down mean 
> up or something.  perhaps a designer wants the
> scrollbar on the left instead 
> of the right.  perhaps not even that, um, extreme. 
> simple things.  at the 
> very minimum they should have the ability to control
> the the arrow color 
> (perhaps it's shape as well -- filled triangles or
> empty triangles, 
> something like that), the button and thumb sizes,
> and the border color, 
> thickness, and style (solid, dashed, groove, etc.). 
> sure it may just make 
> the page look "neat", but if designers didn't want
> their pages to look 
> "neat" then there would be no point in style sheets
> and everyone could just 
> use the default EVERYTHING.
> they're just another kind of control.  that's all.
> ? mjumbewu ?
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