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RE: style sheet in frameset

From: Steve Knoblock <knoblock@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:14:13 -0400
To: "Braden N. McDaniel" <braden@shadow.net>, <www-style@w3.org>
Message-ID: <19980430121617.AAA6510@mangold>
The www-style and www-html archive at http://lists.w3.org/ has the text of
the discussion on HTML includes and headers/footers in regard to object.
See Nov 1997 threads. 

The thread ended with my saying "It appears OBJECT fulfills most of the
needs I foresee, if authors can rely on user changes to the default style
sheet being applied to both the document and the document within the OBJECT
element." --- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/1997Nov/0128.html

Chris Lilley said that "Object places a complete object of some medium
inline into a document; whether that medium is a movie, an image, a sound
... or another document, in HTML or not. The emphasis here being on
complete and 'self-contained'." ---
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/1997Nov/0124.html

I could not find the specific email that stated OBJECT cannot be the
recipient of a TARGET. Perhaps it was off-list.

Although I believe it's important to move away from the current frames
implementation to some better frame-like interface element, I do recognize
that OBJECT was not intended to fill this gap. Only that it would be great
if it could. Or, I hoped, some other solution might come along. But OBJECT
is useful for including static pages in the IFRAME manner, which it was de
singed for (or at least the "include" feature was added at the urgings of
those who wanted an alternative to include and saw an opportunity in type
text/html OBJECTs). I do not belive anyone had considered type HTML objects
before it was brought up.

My observation was "It's not that you can't include the same style in the
OBJECT as in the main
page. It's the behavior of the user interface with respect to the included
HTML that concerns me. When the user changes the font size from the tool
bar, the fonts change on the page, but not in the included area. I'd be
happy to let styles not inherit into OBJECT as long as the UI knows to
adjust both the page and the included page. Perhaps some way of specifying
this behavior could be developed." ---
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/1997Nov/0114.html

I'm happy that I was able convince the powers that be that OBJECT should
inherit styles from the default style sheet. That was my beef, clicking the
font-size button on the toolbar without the OBJECT adjusting accordingly.

There was a general discussion of inheritance into OBJECTs and the result
seems to have been that either styles should not inherit or that it should
be optional. This does not include inheritance from the default style
sheet, which IMHO is necessary for coherency.

Steve

>
Now if someone could just explain to me *why* these elements must have
>different content models, and this functionality of IFRAME could not have
>been folded into OBJECT, giving us one less element to mess with. (No, I'm

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