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From: Jon Bosak <bosak@atlantic-83.Eng.Sun.COM>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:15:28 -0800
Message-Id: <199703270015.QAA00139@boethius.eng.sun.com>
To: www-style@w3.org
Following is the digest for the first day of traffic on the new
mailing list for people interested in DSSSL (ISO/IEC 10179), the
international standard programming language for stylesheets and other
processing specifications.  DSSSL will become increasingly important
as XML brings extensible markup onto the Web.  Anyone interested in
following DSSSL developments should monitor the archive:

   http://www.mulberrytech.com/dsssl/dssslist/archive

Jon

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The DSSSList Digest     Wednesday, March 26 1997     Volume 01 : Number 001



In this issue:

     Welcome to DSSSList@mulberrytech.com
     [none]
     Processing external data entities
     DSSSL Tutorials and Samples
     Re: DSSSL Tutorials and Samples
     Re: DSSSL Tutorials and Samples
     Re: DSSSL Tutorials and Samples
     Re: DSSSL Tutorials and Samples
     Re: DSSSL Tutorials and Samples
     Re: DSSSL Tutorials and Samples
     Re: DSSSL Tutorials and Samples
     Re: DSSSL Tutorials and Samples

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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:18:57 -0500
From: Tony Graham <tgraham@mulberrytech.com>
Subject: Welcome to DSSSList@mulberrytech.com

Welcome to DSSSList@mulberrytech.com, the DSSSL users' mailing list.

DSSSList is provided as a forum where users of DSSSL -- Document Style
and Semantics Specification Language -- can exchange ideas and
solutions.  The DSSSL standard is comparatively new, DSSSL
implementations are even newer, DSSSL embodies many concepts that
are new to many people, and as yet there is no great body of reference
implementations or reference books for people using DSSSL.  The
DSSSList is provided as a means to bootstrap DSSSL usage -- people
using DSSSL helping other people using DSSSL so new users can avoid
common pitfalls and we can increase the spread of DSSSL knowledge
rather than have every user learn everything in isolation.

DSSSList is provided by Mulberry Technologies as a service to the
DSSSL user community.  It was started because we felt the need for a
forum such as this when we were writing our first stylesheet.  Since
there was no place to turn to for help, we decided to create one.
It's as simple as that.

Only subscribers can post to DSSSList, but since the goal is to
increase the level of DSSSL knowledge, DSSSList is being archived on
Mulberry's web site for everybody to view.  The topics being discussed
on the DSSSList will change as new ideas arise or existing problems
are dealt with, but the archive will contain all of the ideas and
solutions that have been discussed on the list.

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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:34:27 -0500
From: Tony Graham <tgraham@mulberrytech.com>
Subject: [none]

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From: bosak@atlantic-83.Eng.Sun.COM (Jon Bosak)
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Subject: Thanks for the list!

Many thanks to Tony Graham and the folks at Mulberry Technologies for
setting up this list.

Jon

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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:36:17 -0500
From: David Megginson <dmeggins@uottawa.ca>
Subject: Processing external data entities

Hi, everyone.  I have a quick question/thought about the Style
Language.

Without the QUERY feature (i.e. in Jade), is there any way to deal
with an external data entity that is not specified as an attribute
value on an element?

Consider the following declarations:

  <!NOTATION source PUBLIC "-//megginson//NOTATION Source Code//EN">
  <!ENTITY code PUBLIC "-//megginson//NONSGML Program Listing 1//EN"
    NDATA source>

In the style language, it is easy to handle

  <listing source=code>

using

  (element LISTING
    ...)
  

but, as far as I can tell, there is no way to get at the entity's
contents in the following:

  <listing>
   &code;
  </listing>


Am I missing something?  All comments and suggestions are welcome.


David

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Microstar Software Ltd.         dmeggins@microstar.com
University of Ottawa            dmeggins@uottawa.ca
        http://www.uottawa.ca/~dmeggins

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:19:38 -0500
From: "B. Tommie Usdin" <btusdin@mulberrytech.com>
Subject: DSSSL Tutorials and Samples

DSSSLers --

I'm looking for materials to help teach the basics of DSSSL.  What
tutorials, explanations, and/or samples are publically available?

Thanks for the help.

- -- Tommie

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:28:19 +0100 (MET)
From: Ingo Macherius <Ingo.Macherius@tu-clausthal.de>
Subject: Re: DSSSL Tutorials and Samples

> I'm looking for materials to help teach the basics of DSSSL.  What
> tutorials, explanations, and/or samples are publically available?

http://itrc.uwaterloo.ca/~papresco/dsssl/tutorial.html
http://www.sil.org/sgml/dssslGerman.html
http://www.jclark.com/dsssl/

These may be a good startting point.
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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 15:41:40 GMT
From: "Henry S. Thompson" <ht@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: DSSSL Tutorials and Samples

Paul Prescod's online tutorial is pretty good:

  http://itrc.uwaterloo.ca:80/~papresco/dsssl/tutorial.html

It's not obvious what the copyright status of it is.

ht

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:50:12 GMT
From: Sebastian Rahtz <s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk>
Subject: Re: DSSSL Tutorials and Samples

Ingo Macherius writes:
 > > I'm looking for materials to help teach the basics of DSSSL.  What
 > > tutorials, explanations, and/or samples are publically available?

I could badly do with some worked examples of math in DSSSL. I am
trying to complete the TeX macro portion of the Jade TeX backend that
handles math, and it doesn't help when I have to work out the DSSSL
code first :-}

Is anyone else looking at DSSSL math?

Sebastian Rahtz

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:07:07 -0500
From: Paul Prescod <papresco@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: DSSSL Tutorials and Samples

B. Tommie Usdin wrote:
> 
> DSSSLers --
> 
> I'm looking for materials to help teach the basics of DSSSL.  What
> tutorials, explanations, and/or samples are publically available?
> 
> Thanks for the help.

The best thing to do to stay on top of DSSSL publications is to watch
Robin Cover's SGML Web page: http://www.sil.org . She has a pointer to
my web page that others have pointed you to.

The copyright status is: "Please read and comment. Please contact me for
anything else."

 Paul Prescod

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:07:45 -0500
From: Paul Prescod <papresco@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: DSSSL Tutorials and Samples

Sebastian Rahtz wrote:
> I could badly do with some worked examples of math in DSSSL. I am
> trying to complete the TeX macro portion of the Jade TeX backend that
> handles math, and it doesn't help when I have to work out the DSSSL
> code first :-}
> 
> Is anyone else looking at DSSSL math?

I don't believe Jade supports math, so there would be no way to test
your math code.

 Paul Prescod

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:16:13 GMT
From: Sebastian Rahtz <s.rahtz@elsevier.co.uk>
Subject: Re: DSSSL Tutorials and Samples

 > > Is anyone else looking at DSSSL math?
 > 
 > I don't believe Jade supports math, so there would be no way to test
 > your math code.
 > 
The next release of Jade will have the math stuff in it, I hope. I am
working with a pre-release from James which has it (TeX only, not RTF
yet so far as I know)

Sebastian

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:21:00 -0500
From: David Megginson <dmeggins@uottawa.ca>
Subject: Re: DSSSL Tutorials and Samples

Paul Prescod writes:

 > I don't believe Jade supports math, so there would be no way to test
 > your math code.

Sebastian and I are working together with James on the TeX backend --
I am doing the C++ coding and Sebastian is doing the TeX.  James has
modified Jade to support math, but he has not implemented it in his
RTF backend yet.


David

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Microstar Software Ltd.         dmeggins@microstar.com
University of Ottawa            dmeggins@uottawa.ca
        http://www.uottawa.ca/~dmeggins

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Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:30:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Paul Prescod <papresco@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: DSSSL Tutorials and Samples

> 
> Paul Prescod writes:
> 
>  > I don't believe Jade supports math, so there would be no way to test
>  > your math code.
> 
> Sebastian and I are working together with James on the TeX backend --
> I am doing the C++ coding and Sebastian is doing the TeX.  James has
> modified Jade to support math, but he has not implemented it in his
> RTF backend yet.

Cool. Probably the most reasonable thing to do for RTF and HTML would be to 
pipe formuale through TeX. If James wanted to try native support I wouldn't
complain but it seems more trouble than it is worth.

 Paul Prescod

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