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RE: CSS and presentational markup

From: Chris Wilson (PSD) <cwilso@MICROSOFT.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:09:12 -0700
Message-ID: <41F7F4CE3CA2CF11BC5000805F14B2A901ABCE57@RED-31-MSG.dns.microsoft.com>
To: "'Liam Quinn'" <liam@htmlhelp.com>, Todd Fahrner <fahrner@pobox.com>
Cc: www-style@w3.org
Internet Explorer 4.0 has the UI and capability to utilize user
stylesheets now.  It is not in Platform Preview 1, but will be in Beta
2.  When Beta 2 comes out, look in View...Options, Advanced tab, and
click "Accessibility".  There is a checkbox labelled "Format documents
using my stylesheet", and an entry box for a path to that stylesheet.

Incidentally, the sentence beginning, "The UA may choose to honor other
stylistic HTML attributes, ..." is essentially what we do in IE4 - it is
NOT what we did in IE3 (we had to hack in the stylesheet support, and
cascading and inheritance of stylesheet properties vs HTML
attributes/tag properties did not work very well at all).  IE4 has one
tree of rendering properties for both HTML tag attributes, default HTML
semantic rendering, and stylesheet properties (stylesheet and inline

Chris Wilson

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Liam Quinn [SMTP:liam@htmlhelp.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, June 05, 1997 9:06 PM
> To:	Todd Fahrner
> Cc:	www-style@w3.org
> Subject:	Re: CSS and presentational markup
> On  5 Jun 97 at 18:50, Todd Fahrner wrote:
> > In documents with both CSS and presentational markup (e.g., <font>
> > and <center> "elements", <B>, <I>, and align and color attributes )
> I
> > have noticed that sometimes CSS can override the usual rendering of
> > the markup, and other times it can't.
> [snip]
> > I think CSS should always be able to override all presentational
> > markup and attributes
> I guess you, Hakon, and Bert think similarly:
> ----
> The UA may choose to honor other stylistic HTML attributes, for
> example 'ALIGN'. If so, these attributes are translated to the
> corresponding CSS rules with specificity equal to 1. The rules are
> assumed to be at the start of the author style sheet and may be
> overridden by subsequent style sheet rules. In a transition phase,
> this policy will make it easier for stylistic attributes to coexist
> with style sheets.
> ----http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/TR/REC-CSS1#cascading-order----
> > I note with a little alarm that Netscape's set to be released next
> > Wednesday. <opinion>Either they're coding with superhuman speed,
> > cleverness, and judgment, or the CSS implementation won't really be
> > ready.</opinion> Anyway, my fingers are crossed. And do you think
> > they'll have a personal style sheet UI?
> It is a bit alarming that a release is coming so soon, but I suppose 
> it'll be like the additions to Netscape 2.0.  Most of them didn't get 
> fixed until Netscape 3.0, which would probably have better been 
> called 2.1.
> I guess I'm a pessimist, but I can't imagine Netscape offering a 
> personal style sheet option.  Netscape has always been near the 
> bottom of the list when it comes to configurability.  If MSIE4 adds 
> this option and Netscape 4.0 does not, it'll be interesting to see 
> how much value users give to personal style sheets in the browser 
> wars.
> Liam Quinn
> ===============  http://www.htmlhelp.com/%7Eliam/  ===============
> Web Design Group            Enhanced Designs, Web Site Development
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Received on Friday, 6 June 1997 13:13:07 UTC

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