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Re: Rules WG -- filling a much needed gap?

From: Jim Hendler <hendler@cs.umd.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:58:23 -0500
Message-Id: <p05200f13bbd6c5a6ac17@[10.0.1.5]>
To: Graham Klyne <gk@ninebynine.org>, www-rdf-rules@w3.org

+1


At 13:54 +0000 11/11/03, Graham Klyne wrote:
>At 17:35 07/11/03 -0500, Sandro Hawke wrote:
>>As Dan Brickley mentioned, we've been working on a Rules charter, too.
>>Here it is:
>>
>>         http://www.w3.org/2003/10/swre578
>>         (currently at revision 1.24)
>
>I've been uneasily reading the thread emanating from this, and a 
>comment from Jeen Broekstra [1] crystalized my concerns:
>
>[[
>... the charter seems very open ...
>]]
>[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-rules/2003Nov/0048.html
>(even though that comment was about the proposed query WG charter; 
>I have similar concerns about a standard for query.)
>
>I think it's too soon to be trying to standardize a "one true rules language".
>
>My experience of standardization efforts is that they work best when 
>the goal is clearly visible.  Standardizing a general RDF rules 
>language could, I fear, be a tarpit project which becomes bogged 
>down by (legitimate) competing views and interests.
>
>I'm also not clear about what is the near-term case for an 
>interoperable rules language.  It seems that the greater need is to 
>make continued progress on deploying interoperable data upon which 
>such languages may operate.
>
>I think there's plenty of scope for useful work in the area of RDF 
>rules, I'm just unsure about early standardization.
>
>If there really is a strong desire to proceed with a standardization 
>effort, I would suggest dramatically narrowing the scope (e.g. to 
>standardize a format for simple rules based on Horn Clauses), and, 
>if necessary, chartering multiple efforts to deal with other 
>requirements.
>
>My apologies for striking a negative note.  I'll shut up now.
>
>#g
>--
>
>At 17:35 07/11/03 -0500, Sandro Hawke wrote:
>>As Dan Brickley mentioned, we've been working on a Rules charter, too.
>>Here it is:
>>
>>         http://www.w3.org/2003/10/swre578
>>         (currently at revision 1.24)
>>
>>It's still rough in places, but I think it gets the point across.
>>Wording suggestions are welcome, as are questions about what is meant
>>by some section or phrase.
>>
>>What Dan Brickley said applies here, too:
>>
>>         Did I mention yet that it is an *early* *draft*? For
>>         **discussion**? Nothing is set in stone. Specifically, we
>>         haven't proposed anything yet to W3C's Advisory Committee, and
>>         they've not approved anything.
>>
>>         [The draft] will quite possibly change over the coming weeks,
>>         so please be sure to cite the $Revision number from the
>>         'Status' section.
>>
>>I'll try to follow any discussion between now and the 20th, and update
>>the document as necessary.
>>
>>       -- sandro
>
>------------
>Graham Klyne
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