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Re: foaf:knows

From: Libby Miller <Libby.Miller@bristol.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 18:50:25 +0000 (GMT)
To: Jon Hanna <jon@hackcraft.net>
Cc: Jeremy Carroll <jjc@hplb.hpl.hp.com>, Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>, "www-rdf-interest@w3.org" <www-rdf-interest@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0402191849400.1006@mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk>



On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Jon Hanna wrote:

>
> Quoting Jeremy Carroll <jjc@hplb.hpl.hp.com>:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Sandro Hawke wrote:
> >
> > >     2. Express feelings in clearly emotional terms.  I usually feel
> > >        happy about DanBri walking into a room I'm in, in a social
> > >        setting, and in a work setting.  (Some people I'm happy to see
> > >        in one context but not the other.)  I just asked my 7-year-old
> > >        for a test for closeness among people, and he suggested two:
> > >        (1) whether you're excited to see them, and (2) whether you hug
> > >        them.
> >
> >
> > Test (2) is likely to show cultural variability world wide, but I quite
> > like your approach.
>
> Yes. Not just world wide - membership of one or more sub-cultures can make it
> quite context-dependent; I would rarely hug a relative, especially male (though
> I would clearly foaf:know them), I would hug a practitioner of my faith I had
> just met (though I would clearly not foaf:know them) since I am acting within a
> different culture in each case. Blood-alcohol level has an effect also :)
>
> I'm not sure of the bias here as regards to the type of closeness. There are
> people I know quite well who make me less happy if they walk into a room! I'm
> not sure that "know" should entail "like".
> Also I mentioned celebrities as a possible edge case, or rather as a humourous
> over-the-edge case. While I would be pretty indifferent to my original example
> there are famous people who's work or deeds I admire and I would hence be happy
> to see them, but could hardly claim to know them. So "like" doesn't entail
> "know" either.
>
> Actually the celebrity case is worth thinking about in that if someone is
> famous
> or at least well-known in their field it would make someone more likely to want
> to claim they know them, even if it was stretching the facts to do so. There
> could be a similar advantage in making such a claim in a given context (which is
> why we're picking on Dan Brickley in the context of FOAF).
>
> > Maybe we show each have our own *:knows properties that are declared as
> > subproperties of foaf:knows - we could than one to try and capture degrees
> > of closeness.
>
> That sounds like an interesting project; most likely a doomed project, but an
> intersting one all the same.
>
> Actually, is there a FOAF list where this would be more on-topic?
>

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Libby
Received on Thursday, 19 February 2004 13:51:20 UTC

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