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Re: RDF vocabulary definitions - typology

From: Richard H. McCullough <rhm@cdepot.net>
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:09:43 -0800
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To: "Vladimir Rykov" <rykov-ont@narod.ru>, <m.spork@qut.edu.au>, <www-rdf-interest@w3.org>
I would have to hear some more details to be sure, but it sounds like the book is talking about intensive (properties of entities) and extensive (entities) classifications.  These two aspects of entities are really inseparable, so if you try to separate them you are apt to get nonsensical results.
If this "typology" is something else, I'd like to hear more about it.
Dick McCullough 
knowledge := man do identify od existent done
knowledge haspart list of proposition

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Vladimir Rykov 
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  If I may intrude into wise discussion.

    I read Russian translation of French book - Theoretical Archeology.

    The guy said there - there are two kinds of classifications - based on
  inner and outer features of objects. Then we compare/match these
  classifications. The result is a kind of super-classification called

    Vladimir Rykov


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  Hello Richard,

  Thursday, November 21, 2002, 1:11:18 PM, you wrote:

  RHM> I read your paper, and I am interested in the "duality principle  in
  the classification theory"
  RHM> that you mentioned.  Could you tell me what that means?

  See an interpretation with some extentions below.
  Some principle statements of the Classification Theory (CT)

  1. Any Classification System has two Dual parts - "Taxonomy" and "Meronomy".
  The first one is
   "external" and connected with ordinary set theory relations (unions,
  intersections, hierarchy
   (a subclass of)) etc..
  2. The second one is "internal" and connected  with Properties (with some
  extended understanding !
  - see my paper).
  3. CT differes  hierarchy - "combinational" structure of Taxons and
  hierarchy - "combinational" structure
   of Properties. There are 4 extrime  points of  combinations of that  two
  scales ( Hierarchy- Combinations ,
  4. A strict hierarchy of Taxons can be described be pure combinations of
  5. The "good sets" ,their members and standard set theory relations are
  described by the "Taxonomy", but the dual part "Meronomy" doesn't fix
  the sets of objects in principle . Only the "subject areas" with  "open"
  object types and  explicitely
  defined properties for them. A "good" classification system must have the
  both parts but in practice very
  often only the taxonomy is used EXPLICITLY . And the Meronomy is "hided" in
  the human minds.
  The both parts are used in biology (as "Detarminator of the birds
  nests" for example).
  6. The CT  differs a "subject area" from a "classsification field" .
  The first one is "not closed" class  . The last is a "good
  set" when the proper "primary" identifications from real objects to
  "minimal" taxons are made already!(This is another very impotant theme).
  The minimal taxons "substitute" real
  objects in any model. It is important to differ  "taxonomical"
  properties from more deep "diagnostic" properties . A value of a
  taxonomical property may have a complex connection with them.
  A direction of further development of the theory  see in my paper.

  Best regards,
  mailto:leo@mmk.ru and copy to leo@mgn.ru
  Leonid Ototsky,
  Chief Specialist of the Computer Center,
  Magnitogorsk Iron&Steel Works (MMK)- www.mmk.ru

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  Best regards,
  mailto:leo@mmk.ru and copy to leo@mgn.ru
  Leonid Ototsky,
  Chief Specialist of the Computer Center,
  Magnitogorsk Iron&Steel Works (MMK)- www.mmk.ru

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  [mailto:www-rdf-interest-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Murray Spork
  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:52 AM
  To: Richard H. McCullough; www-rdf-interest@w3.org
  Subject: Re: RDF vocabulary definitions

  Richard H. McCullough wrote:
  > That seems backwards.
  > Shouldn't you assert the existence of members, even if you can't specify
  > all their properties?
  > The existence of the class logically depends on the existence of its
  > members.

  This may be true, but it doesn't refute the fact that you may want to
  make statements about a class without actually defining any of its
  members. You could, for example, define a class's default properties,
  the relationships it has to other classes etc. - without actually
  wanting to, or needing to, make statements about members of that class.

  > Ios there a mechanism for guaranteeing that members are found?


  > I suppose that's been taken into account.
  > If so, sounds like a reasonable, iterative, engineering solution.

  Yes - I think that is a good way of putting it. In some sense all RDF/S
  documents are work-in-progress.

  An rdfs:Class with no explicitly defined instances is still valid RDF -
  whether or not such a class is useful, I'll leave as a question to
  others with more experience.

  > I am an engineer, so I appreciate such things.
  > Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

  No worries.

  Murray Spork
  Centre for Information Technology Innovation (CITI)
  The Redcone Project
  Queensland University of Technology, Brisbane, Australia
  Phone: +61-7-3864-9488
  Email: m.spork@qut.edu.au
  Web: http://redcone.gbst.com/
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