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Re: Angels

From: Johan Hjelm <johan.hjelm@era-t.ericsson.se>
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:38:51 +0900
Message-ID: <3B7C9FDA.5D3EE59E@era-t.ericsson.se>
To: Patrick.Stickler@nokia.com
CC: danbri@w3.org, neil_smith@newton.co.uk, www-rdf-interest@w3.org
Getting solid specs out, and then finding business models for using the
technology, is a solid recipe for a successful business. That is what we
should be doing. IMHO, we have the first part down. But where is the business
model disucssion?

I also miss outreach to the communities who build businesses. I daily come
across services and technologies that scream for RDF, yet the
inventors/implementors do not know it exists. It is time to start that now,
or else RDF will be a footnote in the backroom of technology. And Niel is
right, if any comments pop up, they tend to drown in a (not unnecessarily
motivated) stream of technical comments.

Dr. Chair, do you think splitting the list in one technical and one
general-business-implementation-outreach may solve anything?

Johan

Patrick.Stickler@nokia.com wrote:

> Forgive me for being just a little bit miffed at this "angels on
> the heads of pins" comment.
>
> I have brought this issue to the RDF interest group *because* it
> is getting in the way of using RDF for several *real* world applications,
> including one that encompasses a far broader scope and far greater volume
> of content than many if not most RDF applications to date.
>
> It is a ligitimate concern about a real problem that has come to
> light during actual implementation.
>
> Trust me, I have scarce little time to waste on academic
> exercises; however interesting they might be.
>
> Nevertheless, I apologize if I have not followed the correct procedure
> for bringing such issues to the attention of the proper parties, and
> I will do as you recommend and forward them to www-rdf-comments@w3.org.
>
> Patrick
>
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ext Dan Brickley [mailto:danbri@w3.org]
> > Sent: 16 August, 2001 18:44
> > To: Neil Smith
> > Cc: www-rdf-interest@w3.org
> > Subject: Re: Angels
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Neil Smith wrote:
> >
> > > Reading some of the more esoteric threads on RDF brings to
> > mind the medieval
> > > disputations about how many Angels could stand on the head of a pin.
> > >
> > > Can we not get the product established in real world
> > applications, and then tidy
> > > it up later?
> >
> > The nice thing now is that we have a W3C working group, RDF
> > Core, looking
> > at the angels and pins situation.
> >
> > While the bugs in the spec do need fixing, and soon, you're right to
> > suggest that the RDF Interest Group lists could be used for more
> > interesting topics, like applications.
> >
> > Folk with a concern for details of the specs should take care
> > to writeup
> > their concerns, with explicit test cases wherever possible, and send a
> > message to W3C's RDF spec feedback list, www-rdf-comments@w3.org
> >
> > Do take a look at the RDF Core WG pages too,
> > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore for links to the issue
> > list, test cases,
> > recent decisions of the WG etc.
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Dan
> >

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