- From: Andrew Thackrah <andrew@opengroup.org>
- Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:46:38 +0100
- To: www-qa-wg@w3.org
DRAFT MINUTES
QA Working Group Teleconference
Monday, 28-July-2003
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Scribe: Andrew Thackrah
Attendees:
(PC) Patrick Curran (Sun Microsystems)
(PF) Peter Fawcett (RealNetworks)
(DH) Dominique Hazaėl-Massieux (W3C)
(LH) Lofton Henderson (CGMO - WG co-chair)
(SM) Sandra Martinez (NIST)
(LR) Lynne Rosenthal (NIST - IG co-chair)
(AT) Andrew Thackrah (Open Group)
Regrets:
(KG) Kirill Gavrylyuk (Microsoft)
(VV) Vanitha Venkatraman (Sun Microsystems)
(KD) Karl Dubost (W3C, WG co-chair)
(MS) Mark Skall (NIST)
Absent:
(DD) Dimitris Dimitriadis (Ontologicon)
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-qa-wg/2003Jul/0054.html
Previous Telcon Minutes: [Not Yet Available]
Summary of New Action Items:
[Format: AI-YYYYMMDD-N Who What DEADLINE! ]
AI-20030728-1 LH Improve OpsGL chronological table view Monday
2003-08-04
1.) roll call 11am EDT, membership
see above
2.) Any routine business
- XHTML Print Last Call Review [0]
Do volunteers - leave on agenda
[- overdue Action Items ]
Deferred
3.) CR publication plan for OpsGL [1a]
- real CR or virtual CR? [1c]
LH explains issue : Virtual CR is not what we decided at
Crete. I thought we would have a proper step to CR then freeze for 6
months.
PF: Yes, that's what we agreed - take proper step to CR
- issue: publish WD? [1a] [1b]
LH: Augmented schedule. only paid attention to OpsGL due to SpecGL
vacation etc
Sept 5 is final deadline - then my tenure as chair expires until
October.
I've tried to come up with a credible schedule:
1st or 4 th Aug - will have a version of OpsGL sufficient to
illustrate disposition of comments [DOC] - plus a document to send to
commenters. We let it sit for 2 weeks for commenters to reply then
have 1 more week for final comment negotiations. This 1 week may be
too tight
DH: agreed with this and understanding of process.
LH: we may have to ask for CR permission call two weeks in advance
of 5 Sept.
This assumes we have to let SpecGL lag behind - still lots
of work to be done.
DH: agreed with that
LH: There is some confusion on the schedule - should we publish a
WD and also a WG-only version? I am planning to put the DOC in the
WG-only version (editors draft). So CR text would be available at time
of CR call request (22 Aug). but transition rules require CR version
available when the request is made.
DH: Actually it's more dependent on DOC than availability of final
doc - this should be enough
LH: So we don't need to publish an OpsGL Working Draft - just use
a WG-only version and then go for CR. Is this bucking process?
DH: I don't think so
LH: There is a risk in transition (ref 1b) - too much substantive
change since previous
version can block transition. I believe normative substance is
mostly same for OpsGL - we should be able to show this.
4.) Last of the OpsGL loose ends
- LC-57, chronological view [2]
LH explains issue. Do we provide chronological view of when topic
applies or view of when WG needs to act on it?
DH: Should be latter.
LR: Agree - but why not have both?
DH: sounds good
LH: KD offered to turn it into a diagram. perhaps some kind of
Gantt chart?
** [ AI LH to improve table by Monday next ]
DH: It needs acronym markup in table - since it contained acronyms
with definition
LH : what do you think of phase description?
DH: fine as is
- LC-110, esp. Introduction rewrite [3]
DH: I've not had time to fully review new intro - but looks good
enough
LH: Regarding Section 1.4 - relation to other specs - KD & I
decided last Monday - since all docs will have this - we should
emphasize common material. specifically - relationship needs to be
emphasized more ..dom..is this adequate? - i.e. not emphasized in
intro (to keep it brief) and linking back for intro emphasis
DH: yes, it's OK
LH: And style in general - too heavy with emphasis? compare
section 1.2 vs 1.3 as example of lighter vs heavier -which style is
best?
DH: how is §1.3 heavier?
LH: In §1.3 I throw emphasis into each bullet point
DH: Perhaps use italics at paragraph level? Vary emphasis between
section and para
level
LH: could you give specific examples of what you mean?
DH: I will try if possible. It satisfies my comment as it is
anyway.
- new CP for "Promote testing" [4]
LH suggests three options to deal with this:
opt 1. Take TestGL CP 6.1 and move to OpsGL GL 6
opt 2. Change OpsGL CP 6.5 to fold it in - this broadens
CP 6.5
opt 3. Ignore since it doesn't belong here
LH : I prefer 2nd option.
LH: I think it's important to emphasize this, I'm ok with opt 2.
LH asks for any objections to Option 2 - there are none.
- Use cases... [5]
LH: I have drafted four - are these sufficient? how about the
content?
are they two verbose?
LR: I'm concerned with #2 - why caveat with 'several months ago'?
We could say 'existing' or previously chartered'.
LH: I want to emphasize the its early in their process
LR: In #4 why go CR?
LH: This is based on real life.
DH: #4 perhaps has too much detail. All cases should be based on
real life maybe?
AT: There are two distinct styles 1-3 and 4 , do we prefer style A
(hypothetical)
or B (real life case study), or both? case #4 is more detailed and
personal. 1-3 are more general.
LR: Possible #5: any material has to be reviewed by AC members?
5.) Adjourn
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