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RE: settle new telecon

From: Lofton Henderson <lofton@rockynet.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:58:42 -0600
Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021016164746.040211a0@rockynet.com>
To: <www-qa-wg@w3.org>

Thanks for the quick reply!

At 03:38 PM 10/16/02 -0700, Kirill Gavrylyuk wrote:
>My vote: option #1 or option #3

Interesting additional choice.

>[...]
>As for the fact that Mark and Lynne and may be some other folks cannot
>make it after 12 - should we ever require an additional time for
>QAWG-all work, we can reorder agenda, so that issues important for the
>folks are discussed within the first 1h. This 0.5h  after 12pm is the
>special extra time - not the regular.

To be clear, my motive (#2) was to not be trapped in the situation where we 
could never have all-QAWG for full 1-1/2 hours.  It might be common 
expectation about 3-4 times a year (that's how often we publish), that we 
may have enough critical focused issue resolution work, that it can't be 
done in 1 hour.  IMO.  (It has also been my experience on other groups.)

So the key issue between #1 and #2 (#3) is:  #1 never allows all-QAWG time 
longer than 1 hr.

-Lofton.


>Should I be in minority, I also suggest option #3. I honestly doubt I'll
>be able to be in clear working mind at 7:30am Monday morning on the
>regular basis:)
>
>Option #3
>-----
>every Monday
>slot:  10:30-12
>agenda goal:  11:00-12:00*
>10:30-11:  normally for editors, etc
>10:30-11:  occasional all-QAWG time if needed**
>
> > >*Note:  "normal" agenda plan is 1 hr.
> > >**Comment:  Since the proposed agenda always goes out at least 2nd
>day
> > >before telcon, it would indicate if an extra-ordinary 1-1/2 hour
>all-QAWG
> > >session is needed or planned.  However, this would likely be
> > >discussed/known much further in advance, e.g., previous telecon.
>
>Thanks
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lofton Henderson [mailto:lofton@rockynet.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:20 PM
> > To: www-qa-wg@w3.org
> > Subject: Re: settle new telecon
> >
> >
> > My choice:  Option #2.
> >
> > Reasons:
> >
> > It is what I thought I was voting for at Tokyo, except in the 12-12:30
> > time
> > slot.  I.e., at Tokyo I didn't understand that NIST people could
>*never*
> > (as Mark and Lynne said this morning) participate between 12-12:30.
> >
> > With Option 1 we could never do an all-QAWG telecon of 1-1/2 hours.
> > Unless
> > the chairs coordinate all members and schedule another bridge slot --
> > conceivably impossible (and unfair to chairs!).
> >
> > Based on experience before 8/26 publication, and 5/15 publication,
>this
> > does not seem like a wise choice, and does not seem fair to Lead
>Editors
> > (but maybe other Lead Editors disagree).  Btw, it's not just us who go
> > crazy before publication:  SVG sometimes goes from 2-1/2 hours telecon
> > time
> > per week to 3-1/2 or 4, and just inserted (with 4 weeks notice) an
>extra
> > face-to-face!
> >
> > Note in both options, the plan is for a "normal" agenda of 1 hour.
>The
> > extra half hour could normally be used for doc-tech pow-wow, TTF (Test
> > Task
> > Force), TestGL editors discussion, [nothing,] etc.  The extra half
>hour
> > would be available for all-QAWG business, with advance planning and
> > announcement, for contingent high-priority needs (e.g., pending
> > publications).
> >
> > -Lofton.
> >
> > At 04:18 PM 10/16/02 -0600, Lofton Henderson wrote:
> >
> > >QAWG participants --
> > >
> > >Everyone, please reply -- Option 1 or Option 2 -- for new telecon
> > >schedule.  (Optional:  state your reasons.)
> > >
> > >Option 1
> > >-----
> > >every Monday
> > >slot:  11-12:30
> > >agenda goal:  11-12*
> > >12-12:30:  for editors, etc**
> > >
> > >*Note:  "normal" agenda plan is 1 hr.
> > >**Comment:  because NIST people can *never* attend 12-12:30, we can't
> > ever
> > >have all-QAWG time then, even if editors need it in final crush (1 or
>2
> > >meetings) before a publication milestone.
> > >
> > >Option 2
> > >-----
> > >every Monday
> > >slot:  10:30-12
> > >agenda goal:  10:30-11:30*
> > >11:30-12:  normally for editors, etc
> > >11:30-12:  occasional all-QAWG time if needed**
> > >
> > >*Note:  "normal" agenda plan is 1 hr.
> > >**Comment:  Since the proposed agenda always goes out at least 2nd
>day
> > >before telcon, it would indicate if an extra-ordinary 1-1/2 hour
>all-QAWG
> > >session is needed or planned.  However, this would likely be
> > >discussed/known much further in advance, e.g., previous telecon.
> > >
> > >(My vote -- see next message.)
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >-Lofton.
> > >
Received on Wednesday, 16 October 2002 18:56:59 GMT

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