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Re: [emo] Response to your comment on the W3C EmotionML LCWD (ISSUE-175)

From: Renato Iannella <ri@semanticidentity.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:50:40 +1000
Cc: www-multimodal@w3.org, w3c-mmi-wg <w3c-mmi-wg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <07495453-D958-4B11-8E98-5327B0C09C8F@semanticidentity.com>
To: Marc Schroeder <marc.schroeder@dfki.de>
Hi Marc - I appreciate the time and effort you have made in responding to my feedback.

Unfortunately, I am not in a position to join the WG and participate, due to time and funding constraints.

So, the defer option is the only one left...

Let me say, and this is no reflection on you and your Working Group, that there needs to more "coordination" across WGs in W3C to obtain the best (and consistent) results for the Web community. The fact that your group did not use SemWeb vocabs should be a sign to the SW WGs to make some changes to address your (valid) concerns. For example, the current RDFa/Microdata "battle" in HTML5 is another case in point.

Anyway....all the best to your WG and deliverables...


On 22 Jun 2011, at 20:17, Marc Schroeder wrote:

> Hello Renato,
> thanks for these suggestions. We looked into SKOS and see value in trying to reuse existing best practice. However, we are also concerned by the possible added complexity, and there have been concerns about an apparent lack of industrial adoption of SKOS. Furthermore, it is not self-evident that SKOS is a better choice than, e.g., RDFS or OWL.
> Given the fact that none of the current group members is an expert in semantic web technologies, we therefore see two options at this stage:
> a) We could discuss the topic further with respect to EmotionML 1.0 if, and only if, a semantic web expert is willing to join the MMI group and work with us on the issues involved. Would you be interested in doing this? No guarantees that we will end up accepting your proposal, but your input would certainly help us take a good decision.
> b) Alternatively, we would defer the revision of the emotion vocabulary representation to a future version of EmotionML. In fact, there are good reasons to look at semantic web aspects of vocabulary representation at that time, since on our "to do in the future" list, there are topics like representing relations and mappings between emotion concepts within and between vocabularies.
> So please let us know whether you are willing to work on this issue with us at this time, or whether you accept the alternative to defer the issue towards a future version of EmotionML. We would welcome an explicit reply by 10 July; if we don't receive a reply, we will consider that to mean you accept to defer the issue.
> Thanks and best regards,
> Marc Schröder, Editor EmotionML
> On 01.06.11 15:25, Renato Iannella wrote:
>> On 1 Jun 2011, at 16:49, Marc Schroeder wrote:
>>> - within-document definition of a vocabulary;
>> I would look at SKOS Concept Schemes [1]
>> (note, you don't have to use all of SKOS, just the bits that work for you...)
>>> - structure encouraging use of a vocabulary only for the intended purpose;
>> Typing. Each SKOS Concept Scheme can be typed (eg as a Category vocab, or as a Dimension vocab etc...)
>>> - automatic verifiability whether a term is within the identified vocabulary;
>> Easy with SKOS - all the terms are right there...
>>> - as little added complexity as possible.
>> We all wish for this....;-)
>> But your current Vocab System introduces new elements/attributes (eg<vocabulary>,<item>..) - all you are doing is using a couple of<skos>  elements instead....and opening up your world !
>> Cheers...
>> Renato Iannella
>> Semantic Identity
>> http://semanticidentity.com
>> Mobile: +61 4 1313 2206
>> [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-primer/#secscheme
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Renato Iannella
Semantic Identity
Mobile: +61 4 1313 2206
Received on Tuesday, 28 June 2011 01:51:15 UTC

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