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RE: RE : Commercial UAProf 2.0 validation tools

From: Butler, Mark <Mark_Butler@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:23:08 +0100
Message-ID: <E864E95CB35C1C46B72FEA0626A2E8082061DA@0-mail-br1.hpl.hp.com>
To: "'Art.Barstow@nokia.com'" <Art.Barstow@nokia.com>, boyera@w3.org, kimmo.k.halonen@nokia.com, www-mobile@w3.org

Art, Kimmo

Yes I intend to support datatyping and UAProf 2.0 in DELI.

The last release of DELI incorporated Jena 2 which supports the RDF data
typing. So the changes necessary in DELI to use this information should be
minor. However I cannot commit to a release date at present.

You may also wish to ask JSR-188 implementors as this API also implements
UAProf validation - see http://web1.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=188

DELI is open-source, so code submissions for UAProf 2.0 support are welcome.

best regards

Dr Mark H. Butler
Research Scientist                HP Labs Bristol
mark-h_butler@hp.com
Internet: http://www-uk.hpl.hp.com/people/marbut/


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Art.Barstow@nokia.com [mailto:Art.Barstow@nokia.com]
> Sent: 20 October 2003 13:08
> To: boyera@w3.org; kimmo.k.halonen@nokia.com; www-mobile@w3.org
> Subject: RE: RE : Commercial UAProf 2.0 validation tools
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Stephane and All,
> 
> As you may know, UAProf 2.0 [1] is in OMA's Candidate stage (similar
> to the W3C's Candidate Recommendation stage).  As such, it would not
> surprise me if implementations were "under way" and that folks may be
> somewhat reluctant to publicize such implementations (especially
> regarding client-side support).
> 
> Implementers - we all know the RDF M&S [1] and 2000 RDF 
> Schema CR [2] have
> absolutely no in-band (normative) support for datatyping.  This 
> limitation creates severe problems for RDF applications such 
> as CC/PP and 
> UAProf that need fine-grained datatyping to validate their data.
> Any out-of-band solution to datatyping (e.g. embedding datatyping
> information in a comment or putting datatyping information in 
> a separate 
> file) is a HACK!
> 
> But there is some good news here - the RDF Core WG has been 
> working for 
> almost threeeeee years on new specs and those specs contain 
> datatyping in 
> RDF [3].  Although the solution is not perfect for mobile 
> data environments
> I think it meets the I Can Live With It Test - especially if the
> alternative is the type of hacks listed above.  UAProf 2.0 
> adopts the new 
> datatyping in RDF solution.  We believe it is a major step forward
> to use in-band (normative) mechanisms to facilitate the automation
> of profile validation.
> 
> Would the "owners" of Sadic and DELI please indicate whether or not
> they intend to support datatyping in RDF (and hence UAProf 2.0)?  And 
> if they do not intend to support datatyping in RDF (i.e. 
> UAProf 2.0) why?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Art Barstow
> ---
> 
> [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-rdf-syntax/
> [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/CR-rdf-schema-20000327/
> [3] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/#documents
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: www-mobile-request@w3.org [mailto:www-mobile-request@w3.org]On
> > Behalf Of ext boyera stephane
> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 5:26 AM
> > To: Halonen Kimmo.K (NMP-MSW/Tampere); www-mobile@w3.org
> > Subject: RE : Commercial UAProf 2.0 validation tools
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hello Kimmo,
> > 
> > Your question is interesting, but unfortunately i do not have any
> > answer, but just another question !
> > To the best of my knowledge, neither Sadic nor DELI are implementing
> > UAProf 2.0. I've neither any information about an existing
> > implementation of a UAProf 2.0 aware processor.
> > Are you aware of any real world device providing a UAProf 2.0 
> > profile ?
> > 
> > Stephane
> > 
> > --
> > Stephane Boyera		stephane@w3.org
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> >  
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: www-mobile-request@w3.org 
> > > [mailto:www-mobile-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of 
> > > kimmo.k.halonen@nokia.com
> > > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:52 AM
> > > To: www-mobile@w3.org
> > > Subject: Commercial UAProf 2.0 validation tools
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Dear All,
> > > 
> > > has anyone ever heard of any commercial products that could 
> > > be used to validate UAProf 2.0 compliant profiles? The UAProf 
> > > 2.0 specification can be found behind the following link: 
> > > http://www.openmobilealliance.org/documents.ht> ml
> > > 
> > > I'm 
> > > familiar with the publicly available tools like DELI 
> > > (delicon.sourceforge.net) and SADiC 
> > > (http://www.the-web-middle-earth.com/sadic/sadicOnlineValidato
> > r.html). My question is more related to commercial products 
> that could
> > be used for this purpose.
> > 
> > All input is highly appreciated.
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
> >  Kimmo Halonen        IOP Initiative Specialist             Nokia
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> >  33101 Tampere, FINLAND       |  Tel: +358 (0)7180 77892
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> > 
> > 
> 
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