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Re: Proposal: Values for UAProf properties

From: Ben Love <local_boy_camegood@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 14:27:24 +0100
To: <www-mobile@w3.org>
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how do you get off this f#$king list

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From: "Andreas Schade" <san@zurich.ibm.com>
To: <www-mobile@w3.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 8:47 AM
Subject: RE: Proposal: Values for UAProf properties


>
>
> Hi,,
>
> It's a pity that  UAProf seems to have lost its importance within the WAP
> Forum. In Dec. 2001
> it was decided to put UAProf in dormant mode which meant then that no
> UAProf DC meetings
> would be held anymore. The reason was that UAProf was considered final
> w.r.t the WAP 2.0
> specification.  Questions, comments etc, were to be directed to WAG (the
> umbrella
> group) which had  to decide how to act upon requests coming in via the
> UAProf mailing list.
> People were fine with this decision but I think the general expectation
was
> that UAProf would
> just hibernate and could be revived if necessary. Unfortunately, today
> nobody seems to feel
> responsible for UAProf anymore which leaves the impression that UAProf
> issues are
> ignored.
>
> To answer your question: No I don't think that UAProf is finished. It
needs
> further work. This
> was also acknowledged in Dec. 2001 but the general feeling was that the
> remaining issues
> (property type system, permitted property values, profile syntax) were
> CC/PP issues and thus
> should be addressed by the CC/PP WG in W3C.
>
> Indeed I tried to bring the issue of merging profiles instances of
> different schemata to general
> attention and sent a proposal how to solve this to the UAProf mailing list
> shortly after the Dec.
> 2001 WAP Forum. Mark Buttler and I had a short discussion but nobody else
> got involved and
> no conclusion was reached ( I still have the corresponding CR sitting on
my
> system :-).
>
> Regards,
> Andreas Schade
> IBM Research Lab
>
>
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>
> Hi Johannes, Vidhya, Nick and Tayeb
>
> A couple of points:
>
> > If you want to make a proposal for updating the UAProf
> > specification and
> > you are a member of the WAP forum, I strongly recommend that
> > you make a
> > Change Recommendation to the WAP forum's uaprof list
> > 'wap-uaprof@mail.wapforum.org', attend a Wireless Application Group
> > meeting and get it pushed through.
>
> Unfortunately the wap-uaprof email list no longer exists. I've queried
this
> with the WAP Forum and comments on UAProf are now supposed to got to
> WAP-WAG, although I know Nick has posted questions to this list (about the
> confusion between namespace URIs and schema URLs) but has not received a
> reply. Your suggestion about going to a meeting is undoubtedly a good one
> though - I may need to do this at some point just to talk about CC/PP and
> JSR 188. Also I have tried to submit change recommendations to the WAP
> Forum
> and they have never acknowledged them so I guess they have been ignored.
>
> As for the discussion about what the schema indicates, there are clearly
> differences between the schemas retrievable at the URLs and the schemas in
> the WAP documentation. Another problem is the proliferation of schemas:
> every UAProf phone I come across seems to use a different namespace, which
> is leading to a configuration nightmare.  As IBM have noted this will also
> lead to problems when you try to merge requests that used to different
> versions of the uaprof vocabulary.
>
> What can we do to avoid this? Well one idea I've had would be to create a
> schema that merges the existing UAProf schemas. Where properties have
> changed component, resolution rule or data type between versions these
> would
> either be marked as i) undefined or ii) all of the above. This schema
would
> then be frozen. Then if people want to add new properties, they would have
> to use a new namespace and provide a schema there. I think it is much
> better
> to leave existing properties in the existing namespace than copy them to a
> new namespace every time a new version of the vocabulary is created. This
> just creates a backward compatibility problem.
>
> So I have a question for people here: do people agree that UAProf has
> reached a point where it is finished or do they think it still needs
> further
> work? If you do not want to make your opinion public, send it to me
> directly
> and I will tally the result to anonymise opinions?
>
> thanks, best regards
>
> Mark H. Butler, PhD
> W3C CC/PP WG Chair
> Research Scientist                HP Labs Bristol
> mark-h_butler@hp.com
> Internet: http://www-uk.hpl.hp.com/people/marbut/
>
Received on Thursday, 30 May 2002 09:28:21 GMT

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