Re: CC/PP Implementation

Johan,

I am new to this forum, so please forgive what might be a newbie
question.  However I see you talking about implementation, but your
first point is:

> 1. Implement the CC/PP-ex protocol on the client.

We certainly have to do this for prototyping ofthe concept, however
eventually the likes of Netscape, and IE, and all the mobile browsers
will have to be the ones to implement these.  Is this not correct.  Now,
before you answer, I understand that first we prove that this works,
then we approve the CC/PP standard, and then finally the standard can be
adopted by the community.  

So if my understanding is correct, as indicated in my first statement.
My real question is, at what point are we in this process, and how long
do we expect it to take.  I ask because I am really an application
programmer.  This means that really I am interested in using the CC/PP
standard, I am even willing to expand my apache servers to deal with the
standard if that is what it takes, BUT until the client browsers, who
ever they might be are sending thsi info, then all my work will be
invane. 

I do apologize if this question is premature, or way too early, I am
just trying to get a feel for when one can realistically expect to be
able to see "standard" clients send this info to a server.

Marco Romanini

> Re: CC/PP Implementation
> 
> From: Johan Hjelm, Nippon Ericsson KK (johan.hjelm@era-t.ericsson.se)
> Date: Tue, Apr 03 2001
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> From: "Johan Hjelm, Nippon Ericsson KK" <johan.hjelm@era-t.ericsson.se>
> To: "Abhinkar, Sameer" <sameer.abhinkar@intel.com>, <www-mobile@w3c.org>
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 09:51:25 +0900
> Subject: Re: CC/PP Implementation
> 
> Not at all. Those are good questions.
> 
> The "Implementation guidelines" unfortunately only exists in various states
> of bits and pieces right now. We have not been able to create the actual
> document, even though we have had several editors give it a try (I guess
> they were too busy implementing :-) ).
> 
> However, on the working group mailing list (which you can access, since you
> are a member) there are references to implementations by SBC and Keio
> University. Ericsson has also done an implementation, which is commercially
> available (so you may be able to learn more from SBC or Keio, depending on
> how you want to work it).
> 
> In my view, there are three things you need to do (and a lot of "that
> depends", as you will see).
> 
> 1. Implement the CC/PP-ex protocol on the client.
> 2. Implement the CC/PP-ex protocol on the server
> Alternative to 1 and 2: Tweak one of the HTTP headers, e.g. user-agent, and
> use that to transport information. But it will only work for research
> purposes - as will using POST.
> 3. Implement a heuristic to select/compose document(s) based on CC/PP on the
> server. This piece is non-standardized, since it is beyond the scope of the
> working group. Essentially, I think you have to create an inference based on
> the profile and some built-in heuristics to select documents. One
> (minimalistic) way of doing it is to tweak the content negotiation.
> 4. Run it and tell us if it worked.
> 
> Now, this is my personal view, and others may have taken different paths.
> 
> I believe there will also be a number of talks about this at WWW10, which I
> think will be useful to attend.
> 
> Johan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Abhinkar, Sameer" <sameer.abhinkar@intel.com>
> To: <www-mobile@w3c.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:01 AM
> Subject: CC/PP Implementation
> 
> > Hello All:
> >
> > Don't whether this is a good question to ask on this
> > list or not..
> >
> > I am pretty much new to CC/PP and wanted to know
> > how to do we go about implementing a CC/PP for a device
> > and a server. So for the sake of explanation if I am trying to
> > web surf from a handheld device say IPAQ/Visor/Jornada do I
> > have to tweak the device supported browser (for e.g. IE) on the
> > device to support CC/PP and if they are contacting a server which is
> > running IIS/Apache do I have to tweak the server to handle the
> > requests to support the CC/PP feature on the server. So, the
> > gist is I want to start implementing CC/PP what & how should I do?
> > Is there any documentation for implementation ?
> >
> > I believe there is a documentation called 'Implementation
> > Guidelines' by Johan Hjelm at http://www.w3.org/Mobile/CCPP/
> > but I couldn't find a way to download that document. Since
> > it is listed in the 'Deliverable' section of this page is that
> > supposed to mean that the document is not ready or will come
> > out in future..?
> >
> > Sorry, for some stupid questions but I am pretty new to this.
> > Excuse my ignorance. I would really appreciate if someone
> > could get back to me regarding this.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Sameer Abhinkar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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