From: Joe Java <joe.java@eyeasme.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:03:14 -0700

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To: "Waters,Michael,Springer US" <Mike.Waters@springer.com>

Cc: www-math@w3.org

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:03:14 -0700

Message-Id: <20090716190314.eeb015f6c9d0e1fdff594d2c3206cf5d.3471147344.wbe@email04.secureserver.net>

To: "Waters,Michael,Springer US" <Mike.Waters@springer.com>

Cc: www-math@w3.org

Hello Mike, You are welcome. I too was quite surprised by how well the STIX Beta fonts on Firefox 3.5 compared to TeX. I am also optimistic about the future of MathML usage on the Web. Graduate students often post their papers online. It is a great way to get your papers referenced and to let others interested in your topic find you. The problem is most papers are posted in a PDF format. Great for printing out, but horrible for pulling out an equation or diagram to use in future papers. After properly referencing the source, most graduate students have to struggle through the process of recreating from scratch the equations or diagrams they want to use. MathML would greatly ease this problem, and I believe allow much faster and easier exchange of ideas and information. I look forward to the day when most graduate students post their technical papers using MathML. Joe -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: MathML browser test page From: "Waters, Michael, Springer US" <Mike.Waters@springer.com> Date: Thu, July 16, 2009 1:19 pm To: <joe.java@eyeasme.com>, <www-math@w3.org> Hi Joe, Thanks for the test page. I’m always checking things out re: MathML, so I tried your link. At first, my reaction was underwhelming. Problems with under- and overbraces, awkward-looking radical signs, and others. Overall, I was disappointed with STIX Beta on Firefox 3.0.11. I have a tendency to install/upgrade browsers (FF, IE, Amaya, Opera), plug-ins, and utilities, so I thought it worthwhile to check my Firefox configuration. About:config/Preference Name/font.mathfont-family set for the STIX Beta fonts, yup, AOK. But when I went to the Fonts Control Panel in Windows, the STIX Beta fonts WERE NOT INSTALLED. Geesh, what did I do in my experimenting?? Anyway, after going to “Fonts for MathML-enabled Mozilla”, downloading the latest STIXBeta.zip, unzipping to a directory, installing and copying the fonts using the Control Panel, and restarting Firefox, I was pleasantly surprised: MathML display that was comparable to TeX output on your test page. Altogether, the process took only about 2 min and that includes restarting Firefox. Performance is good on page zooming up/down--less than a second. I know there are some who are unhappy with a separate install for math fonts (at least for now), but we’ve all installed Acrobat Reader to view PDFs and other sorts of players for special applications, so I think it’s more than worthwhile to (properly) install the STIX Beta fonts for MathML viewing. As Christoph Lange commented separately, it’s “really easy”. Thanks, that helped. I’m much more optimistic about the future of MathML. Regards, Mike Waters From: www-math-request@w3.org [mailto:www-math-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of joe.java@eyeasme.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:54 AM To: www-math@w3.org Subject: MathML browser test page Hello MathML Community, While learning TeX and MathML, I wrote a one page website that covers a range of mathematical formulas, I use the web-page for testing some of a browser's MathML (presentation Markup) capabilities. It might be of use to others, so here it is: https://eyeasme.com/Joe/MathML/MathML_browser_test.html The equations are shown in 3 forms: (all hyperlinked to the code that generated them) 1) an image the TeX presentation 2) an image of the MathML representation using STIX Beta fonts on Firefox 3.5 3) the present browser's representation of the equation using MathML This way a person can see how TeX (produces a very good representation of mathematical equations) compares with MathML on Firefox 3.5 using STIX beta fonts, and how these both compare with their present browser's MathML representation. The page validates as 'XHTML 1.1 plus MathML 2.0', validates as 'CSS level 2.1' and the page passes the WAI automatic tests Included on the web-page are a few useful links and some notes about lessons I learned while making the web-page. Feel free to make any Comments / suggestions / corrections. JoeReceived on Friday, 17 July 2009 02:03:57 GMT

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