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Re: mover vs latin chars with diacriticals

From: David Carlisle <davidc@nag.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:40:11 +0100
Message-Id: <200605031040.k43AeBBn027953@edinburgh.nag.co.uk>
To: juanrgonzaleza@canonicalscience.com
CC: www-math@w3.org

> or any other possibility denoting derivative. It is more, if we carefully
> claim that Presentational MathML just render things as x^2 and x^2 without
> disambiguating (this is the task of the <power/> tag of Content MathML for
> example) then it may be difficult the justification for disambiguating 
> from  in Presentation MathML 2.0.

No, this isn't difficult at all as the situations are completely
different. By using mover you are clearly marking up that you are using
a layout form denoting some operation applied to the term represented by
u, although The exact mathematical operation isn't explict and must be
inferred from the context. If on the other hand you use an unicode
composite then you are just saying it's a single mathematical term
identified by a letter than happens to have an accent.

> Do not forget that Unicode is international standard whereas MathML is
> just w3c recommendation.

As of course are CSS and HTML. Why are you not using the ISO standard
DSSSL for styling if you don't trust the W3C to standardise things?

> That in TeX is encoded as \dot{q} in MathML was encoded in four different
> ways.

most of the ways you showed in MathML were spurious, and of course in
TeX it may be encoded in many other ways as well, 
\dot q  
\mathaccent "705F q
\def\deriv#1{\dot{#1}}... \deriv{q}

That's just the nature of things that even when marking up the same
notation you have to account for stylistic differences in the use of
markup syntax.
> q-dot in a single Unicode way?

Yes as it happens there is just one Unicode for q-dot, but Unicode also
has issues with multiple representations as has been discussed already
in this thread. For example c-dot has two representations U010b and
U0063 U0307

> Maybe a full complete unification (an only way) was impossible, but note
> all outputs were generated from the same input: \dot{q}.

As in earlier threads, you are testing the convertors, not testing the
languages. You could take a single MathML expression and 6 different
MathML to TeX convertors and probably get three or four different TeX
expressions, but that doesn't tell you anything about either language


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