From: Pavi Sandhu <pavi@wolfram.com>

Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:46:52 -0500

Message-Id: <v04210103b9dc811f5f11@[140.177.9.155]>

To: Ka-Ping Yee <ping@zesty.ca>

Cc: www-math@w3.org

Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:46:52 -0500

Message-Id: <v04210103b9dc811f5f11@[140.177.9.155]>

To: Ka-Ping Yee <ping@zesty.ca>

Cc: www-math@w3.org

Several people have responded to the broader issues raised in the original posting. I will limit myself to correcting a specific mis-statement. At 7:28 AM -0400 10/22/02, Ka-Ping Yee wrote: >Now imagine an ideal world where MathML and MINSE viewers work reliably >on all the popular browsers. What differences remain? > > 1. You still can't easily edit MathML documents by hand. This > means you can't maintain your math documents the same way you > maintain other Web documents. You will have to get extra > software to help you edit MathML, and you probably won't be > able to use the same editors you normally do. Sometimes you > will still have to keep two copies of things. > > 2. You still can't extend MathML. The only way to get a new tag > into MathML is by passing a new specification through the W3C > process, and then waiting for all the browsers and plug-ins > to implement it in the next version, and then waiting some more > until all the incompatibilities dissipate. With MINSE, you > just update your stylesheet and supply the needed renderings. > As you share your extensions with your community, people settle > on common conventions and the language grows. > > 3. You still can't teach MathML. Books can't or won't explain how > to write MathML. Learning MathML will be specific to learning > how to use a particular editor. (This is analogous to being > unable to learn English; you can only choose to learn MS Word > or WordPerfect etc.) You won't be able to communicate with > other people about how to write MathML if they use different > editing software. And if the company making your editor goes > out of business, or the user interface of your editor changes > substantially, you'll have to relearn. The above is not true. I know of at least one book dedicated to MathML - the one I wrote. It's called "The MathML Handbook" and is scheduled for publication next month. See: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=6UO UUZRIEI&isbn=1584502495 Also, a few weeks ago another individual on this list indicated he was working on a proposal for a MathML book. So we might have additional books in the future. MathML is going to be important and useful to a lot of people. So I'm not sure why you assume "books can't or won't explain how to write MathML". Pavi > 4. You still can't be sure you're getting semantics in MathML. > You might get semantics, presentation, or a mixture of both. > > 5. You still won't be able to send MathML in e-mail. You still > won't be able to enter MathML into a form field. But you can > do both easily with MINSE. > > 6. When a new platform appears (e.g. a new handheld computer), > you'll have to wait for a viewer and editor to be ported to it > before you can use MathML. But you can easily enter MINSE. > You can even read MINSE fairly easily without a viewer. > > >-- ?!ng > >[1] http://minse.org/nph-pmpm.cgi/http://minse.org/example.html >[2] http://www.mathtype.com/features/samples/compare/mathpage.htmReceived on Wednesday, 23 October 2002 12:47:17 UTC

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