From: Stan Devitt <jsdevitt@maplesoft.com>

Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:48:09 -0400

Message-ID: <DFBA4AED6924D111959A0060975EA7B4511A66@romulus.maplesoft.on.ca>

To: "'Andy Felt'" <felt@math.wsu.edu>, Stan Devitt <jsdevitt@maplesoft.com>

Cc: www-math@w3.org

Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:48:09 -0400

Message-ID: <DFBA4AED6924D111959A0060975EA7B4511A66@romulus.maplesoft.on.ca>

To: "'Andy Felt'" <felt@math.wsu.edu>, Stan Devitt <jsdevitt@maplesoft.com>

Cc: www-math@w3.org

[Stan Devitt] > From Andy Felt: > > Here are my questions: > > 1) Are we really trying to come up with a standard way to > code *and display* all common mathematical expressions, such > as the differential operator? This seems like an admirable > but impossible task. If you ask 10 mathematicians how to > display the differential operator, you will get 5 different > answers. So, for automated search-ability, are we giving up > quite a bit of display flexibility? > Precisely the point. This is why there is no attempt in MathML 1.0 to dictate either appearance or semantics. The view taken is that the author is in full control. If an author wants to specify how his/her differential operator is to appear, they do so, using the MathML 1.0 presentation tags. If they are more concerned about communicating the meanings of their formulae than the appearance, they use content tags, perhaps overriding the default definition to use their own variant. If they want to control both, they specify both a presentation and the semantics, grouping them using the <semantics> tag. The role of MathML is to facilitate communication. The author can say as little or as much about their math objects as they like. It would be a serious mistake to adopt a design that actively prevented the recording of either kind of information. > 2) If there are translators from LaTeX to MathML, how can > this `context' possibly be included? LaTeX did not meet the > needs of MathML because it is only display oriented (i.e. > the same expression may stand for two different ideas, > depending on context), but how can a translator add such > context? > Inferring semantics when the author neglected to record it in the first place is a hard task. A naive translator should probably just build a "presentation", ignoring the semantics entirely. On the rare occasions when the document has been encoded with semantics in mind, perhaps by using special macros to record the semantic expression tree rather than the presentation, you can do better. There has been some work done on heuristics to guess at meaning, but it is always only a guess. This problem is completely outside the scope of MathML. > 3) Why is automated searching for math syntax so important? > If I am searching for a paper on trigonometry, I would > search for `trigonometry', not \cos (or the MathML > equivalent). Or is it searching within a document that we > are talking about? > > Again, I appologize if I am rehashing old material. For > what my vote is worth, I would rather stick to a > display-only language, tell the browser developers to > include a LaTeX compiler, and be done with it. However, I > can understand that searching for context-based material > might be important to some people. > Consider the analogous problem of searching a collection of tex documents for papers involving arrays. A search for a TeX or LaTeX array construct is unlikely to be much use. The structures get used frequently in the document markup for their visual properties rather than their mathematical properties. "If" a document were marked up using semantic tagging, then it would be possible to search for mathematical arrays. So the types of questions that you might ask are Find all paper or formulae involving: 1. Integrals of of a product 2. matrices of trig functions 3. quotients 4. uses of the product defined in the 1888 paper of ... Stan Devitt, Ph.D. Senior Math Developer Waterloo Maple Inc.Received on Thursday, 7 May 1998 13:52:13 UTC

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