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RE: Libwww status

From: Fred Covely <fcovely@bcftech.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 15:34:46 -0500 (EST)
To: "Joel Young" <jdy@cs.brown.edu>
Cc: <www-lib@w3.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBIGEEOLAKIPFCDMLNEEEMHDAA.fcovely@bcftech.com>
I'm also curious as to anyone's comparison of libwww, curl(
http://curl.haxx.se/ )
, and ACE ( http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~schmidt/ACE.html ).  I gather that CURL
is strictly
client side stuff whereas libwww can be adapted to the server.  ACE seems to
do both, but
I have had very little experience using it.  I think it comes down to
reinventing (or not)
the wheel.

Any input appreciated in advance.

Fred Covely
BCF Technology

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Young [mailto:jdy@cs.brown.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 11:23 AM
To: Fred Covely
Cc: www-lib@w3.org
Subject: Re: Libwww status

> I am curious as to the 'strategic' direction of libwww.

There was a post a while ago from one of the former maintainers
that libwww is in "user maintenance".

> Nevertheless it seems to me that a major rewrite is in order.


> It might make a lot of sense to do such a rewrite in C++ using STL and
> integrating with other open source efforts (Xerces comes to mind).

It might make a good addition to and make good use of the libraries at

> It may make sense to keep a lot of the libwww semantics, while moving
> everything to C++.

Yup, however it should no longer be an application framework.  In the
"old days" many applications that used the web was at its heart a web
application so the framework worked.  Now the web is an auxiliary to
many programs.  Component libraries are a better and more reusable

Libwww could be split into a network library, a mime library, a
stream library, a parsing library, etc...  Where these components are
already robust with the appropriate licenses the libwww versions should
be scrapped.

A new libwww should use standard types as much as possible to facilitate
interaction (and minimize copying) with other libraries.

There should be absolutely zero global state requiring library user

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