- From: r12a <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 15:44:57 +0100
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
07 Sep 2017
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Sep/0002.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
Bert, addison, steve, r12a, David, andrewc, JcK
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Agenda
2. [6]Action Items
3. [7]Info Share
4. [8]Radar and Active Work Review
5. [9]Review pending and close items
6. [10]Remote Playback API
7. [11]Review pending and close items
8. [12]AOB?
* [13]Summary of Action Items
* [14]Summary of Resolutions
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trackbot, prepare teleconference
<scribe> ScribeNick: addison
Agenda
Action Items
[15]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
[15] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
action-636?
<trackbot> action-636 -- Addison Phillips to Update floating
times q+a to address confusing section at end -- due 2017-07-20
-- OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/636
[16] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/636
[17]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/111
[17] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/111
action-647?
<trackbot> action-647 -- Richard Ishida to Send list of review
items for next week (pendings and close? items) -- due
2017-09-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[18]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/647
[18] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/647
close action-647
<trackbot> Closed action-647.
action-648?
<trackbot> action-648 -- Richard Ishida to Ask mongolian ad hoc
group to use our list -- due 2017-09-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[19]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/648
[19] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/648
close action-648
<trackbot> Closed action-648.
action-649?
<trackbot> action-649 -- Addison Phillips to Reply to whatwg
2945 translatehint issue with wg opinion -- due 2017-09-07 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[20]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/649
[20] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/649
close action-649
<trackbot> Closed action-649.
Info Share
david: small piece
... looking at jdk9 spec
... aiming to do better bidi support
addison: maybe making isolation work?
richard: tpac is coming!
... the goose is getting fat
... consider registering
... if you wish to attend
<r12a> [21]https://www.w3.org/2017/11/TPAC/
[21] https://www.w3.org/2017/11/TPAC/
<David> [22]https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8043825
[22] https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8043825
<r12a> [23]https://www.chinaw3c.org/tpac2017-overview.html
[23] https://www.chinaw3c.org/tpac2017-overview.html
Radar and Active Work Review
[24]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
[24] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
[25]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
[25] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
richard: talked to shervin and he'll try to produce something
for arabic (gap review)
bert: looking at dutch, not finished yet
... will send
richard: when you get to paged media stuff
... are there i18n features that are not supported. lots of
features not supported
... but we're only considering the i18n ones
... things such as making page turn direction in arabic
... the ij thing might be one, it's unicode related
... maybe important to consider
Review pending and close items
Remote Playback API
[26]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/274#issuecommen
t-327103198
[26]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/274#issuecomment-327103198
<scribe> ACTION: addison: write to remote playback and indicate
that we are satisfied and our review is in fact complete
[recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html#action01
<trackbot> Created ACTION-650 - Write to remote playback and
indicate that we are satisfied and our review is in fact
complete [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-09-14].
Review pending and close items
[28]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2017
JulSep/0088.html
[28]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2017JulSep/0088.html
[29]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/473
[29] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/473
richard: maybe too late
... but don't like the word justify here
... this is about aligning or arranging
... I wish to tilt at this windmill please?
addison: agree
david: use of justify is unjustifiable
bert: problem css knows about, but hasn't come to satifying
conclusion
... words are internally consistent, but words overloaded
... haven't found anything better, variations of 'align' are
equally obscure
richard: suggesting 'arrange', notice that powerpoint uses the
word
... question is whether CSS Grid went out and use justify?
bert: not sure if all of them
[30]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/474
[30] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/474
richard: asking for a brief summary of what happens in simple
cases
addison: is that really an i18n comment?
richard: well, has to do with which baseline
bert: thought there use to be illustrations?
richard: still exist in another spec
... didn't manage to make that connect to what they say here
(possibly line module??)
(no objections)
[31]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/396
[31] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/396
richard: matches items to a list
... matches capital and lowercase in list
... should we do normalization too?
[32]http://w3c.github.io/charmod-norm/#handlingCaseFolding
[32] http://w3c.github.io/charmod-norm/#handlingCaseFolding
addison: turkish for example
andrew: vietnamese input methods may require normalization
... user may not be inputting the same string
... for the same word
richard: really useful feature though
... use in uniview
jck: gray area between identifier case and free text case
addison: if we don't say anything, the default implementation
will be ascii friendly and break down from there
[33]https://github.com/w3c/string-search
[33] https://github.com/w3c/string-search
jck: "don't charge naively ahead"
david: a rider on that is to say "before you try anything, try
normalizing"
jck: agree
addison: wouldn't apply a K because it damages too much
david: should say bahave "as if" NFC
... use as-if to avoid requiring the actual normalization
addison: case fold still a thing
... written things like this
... fold wide/narrow? fold kana?
... "opened a nest of snakes"
bert: found in an editor that suggests options, really annoying
... what does the author mean by this, are these specific
options?
... up to browser to be smart about it
addison: spec could allow implementations to compete on this
richard: sounds really useful but opened a nest of snakes
david: take into account user's locale
addison: or page language content
richard: and give examples
... will draft comment and submit it
[34]https://github.com/w3c/string-search
[34] https://github.com/w3c/string-search
[35]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/159
[35] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/159
richard: they say no modifiers but examples are all uppercase
letters
(discussion of various things such as numbers on some
keyboards, some syllabaries, etc.)
richard: so what does "modifier" mean?
andrew: technically includes shift
jck: needs to be very clear what they are talking about
andrew: defined as single unicode code point
... but keyboards aren't limited that way
addison: didn't we have this issue?
richard: yes, steve raised this before
steve: can't remember which spec, but yes
... have to look
richard: chaals involved in discuss?
okay to send
richard: owl-time all need to be closed?
addison: will look at and close
richard: will issue a new list for next week
AOB?
<r12a> ACTION: Richard to shorten the list of pending/closed
items and reissue for next telecon discussion [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[36] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html#action02
<trackbot> Created ACTION-651 - Shorten the list of
pending/closed items and reissue for next telecon discussion
[on Richard Ishida - due 2017-09-14].
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: write to remote playback and indicate
that we are satisfied and our review is in fact complete
[recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Richard to shorten the list of pending/closed
items and reissue for next telecon discussion [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[37] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html#action01
[38] http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html#action02
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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