- From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 16:41:38 +0000
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http://www.w3.org/2014/12/11-i18n-minutes.html
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
11 Dec 2014
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Dec/0007.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2014/12/11-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
Addison, Richard, Xiaoqian, Bobby, Steve, JcK, Mati,
David, Leandro, Somnath, Felix
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Agenda
2. [6]Action Items
3. [7]Info Share
4. [8]RADAR and Active Work Review
5. [9]Indic Layout Requirements FPWD Transition Request
6. [10]Review the Chinese Layout Task Force charter
7. [11]Review of XSLT 3.0 is due
8. [12]AOB?
* [13]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
Agenda
Action Items
[14]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
[14] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
action-113?
<trackbot> action-113 -- Richard Ishida to Work on tidying up
Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML & CSS over coming
couple of months -- due 2012-04-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/113
[15] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/113
richard: sent email aharon, porting document to respec
action-356?
<trackbot> action-356 -- Leandro Reis to Work on converting
cldr alphabetic index data to css predefined counter styles
using automatic means, evaluating suitability of the data, and
report back to wg -- due 2014-11-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/356
[16] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/356
leandro: ticket open on cldr
... open 2 months now
... and then need to help them
... sent sample output to richard and addison
richard: didn't have time to look more than briefly
addison: ditto
leandro: so script ready. just need data
close action-356
<trackbot> Closed action-356.
<scribe> ACTION: leandro: follow up with cldr ticket to add
counter style data [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2014/12/11-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-383 - Follow up with cldr ticket to
add counter style data [on Leandro Reis - due 2014-12-18].
<Leandro> CLDR ticket about adding counter style characters to
data files: [18]http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/7954
[18] http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/7954
action-360?
<trackbot> action-360 -- Xiaoqian Wu to Survey publishers if
there are requirements for additional/more specific styles in
chinese e-books -- due 2014-11-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[19]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/360
[19] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/360
xiaoqian: didn't get helpful feedback yet
close action-367
<trackbot> Closed action-367.
close action-371
<trackbot> Closed action-371.
close action-378
<trackbot> Closed action-378.
<r12a> somnath, we lost you
somnath: responded to norbert's comments
... norbert agreed that other comments are okay
close action-379
<trackbot> Closed action-379.
richard: another person commented (haridam?)
somnath: already responded to him
... he's okay
... requested he send an email to that effect
richard: need to send to indic list
somnath: will send reply to public list also
close action-380
<trackbot> Closed action-380.
action-381?
<trackbot> action-381 -- John Klensin to Check on eai
documentation pages and send a link to the wg -- due 2014-12-11
-- OPEN
<trackbot>
[20]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/381
[20] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/381
addison: will double check I saw it
[21]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/EAI_Address_Issues
[21] https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/EAI_Address_Issues
close action-381
<trackbot> Closed action-381.
Info Share
somnath: comment on CL TF item
... some institutions in india would like to contribute to
Tibetan layout
richard: just finishing charter
... there will be links/process to join
... previous assumption was TF would work in Chinese, but
others outside China also interested
JcK: next draft of document "what to do about lang dependent
code points"
<JcK>
[22]https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-klensin-idna-5892upd
-unicode70/
[22]
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-klensin-idna-5892upd-unicode70/
addison: next meeting will be our last of the year
JcK: next week regrets
richard: next week potential regrets
<r12a> regrets from Richard until 15th Jan meeting
RADAR and Active Work Review
[23]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
[23] https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
<Bobby> Fantasai just done the initial letter
<Bobby> should we add the inline layout level 3 to the review
list?
bobby, can you send me a link to the document?
<Bobby> [24]http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-inline/
[24] http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-inline/
will add, thanks
addison: will shepherd Web Annotation Data Model
richard: looked at that. they use dc:language
... uses RFC 5646 rather than bcp47
<r12a> but with BCP47 values
felix: that link says
... the text must be normalized
... that may be something to look at
... no definitiion of what normalized is
... a few other things
richard: do you normalize it for the process you're running?
... or do you store that?
addison: any takers for xinclude?
(may not review...?)
[25]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
[25] https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
addison: no changes in document this week
Indic Layout Requirements FPWD Transition Request
[26]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/indic-layout/
[26] http://www.w3.org/International/docs/indic-layout/
richard: ran spell check
... somnath made changes
... fixed spelling
... somnath answered a lot of Norbert's questions
... one missing item is that Norbert suggested
... the intro should say somewhere "yes, only Hindi *now*, but
other languages to be done later..."
... suggest we add text like that now
... will suggest to somnath
... try to publish it tuesday
<scribe> chair: proposal is to publish Indic Layout
Requirements as First Public Working Draft
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: indicate your support or non-support
richard: note that first public is not expected to be in any
specific level of maturity
... doesn't have to be in fantastic shape
+1
<xiaoqian> +1
<fsasaki> +1
<David> +1
<r12a> +1
<Steve_Atkin> +1
<Leandro> +1
<matial> +1 but don't know much about the subject
<matial> :-)
<somnath> somnath : ok thnks.
<JcK> +1
<scribe> chair: so resolved
<r12a> ACTION: Richard to suggest wording for Somnath to add to
indic layout intro to explain that we'll do other languages
later [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2014/12/11-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-384 - Suggest wording for somnath to
add to indic layout intro to explain that we'll do other
languages later [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-12-18].
Review the Chinese Layout Task Force charter
[28]http://www.w3.org/International/groups/chinese-layout/chart
er
[28] http://www.w3.org/International/groups/chinese-layout/charter
richard: brief report
... took discussion items to beihang folks
... they were happy, updated charter
... yellow stuff are changes I added since then
... one outstanding query with them
... starting to think we may need separate public lists for
tibetan and mongolian
... because cjk list has affinity between languages because
they use similar writing system
... the others don't
xiaoqian: have one list for all languages or separate lists by
languauge?
richard: provide maybe
public-i18n-mongolian/public-i18n-tibetan (two lists)
... public-i18n-zhreq list proposed to be in Chinese language
... one issue is that people in Bhutan and India that want to
participate in Tibetan work
... may not speak Chinese
... and maybe people in Mongolia?
xiaoqian: suggest to use that list's language?
richard: some people working on the script don't actually speak
the language
... maybe either use English or Mongolian/Tibetan??
... public list would be in English
xioaqian: most mongolian experts speak no english at all
<scribe> chair: do we support adoption of the Chinese Layout
Task Force charter?
<xiaoqian> +1
+1
<David> +1
<Steve_Atkin> +1
<r12a> +1
<Bobby> +1
<Leandro> +1
<matial> +1
<JcK> Yes, although Id be a tad more complicated if more of the
"how work will get done" details were nailed down.
richard: if you have suggestions about mailing lists, please
make them
... this likely to be a problem we have to deal with more in
the future
<JcK> And +1 to Richard's comment about future versions of the
issue
<scribe> chair: so resolved!
Review of XSLT 3.0 is due
[29]http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt-30/
[29] http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt-30/
[30]https://www.w3.org/International/track/products/63
[30] https://www.w3.org/International/track/products/63
action-375?
<trackbot> action-375 -- Steven Atkin to Defining Decimal
Formats Permits Only Single Characters -- due 2014-12-02 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[31]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/375
[31] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/375
When decimal formats are defined only single characters are
permitted for decimal format elements. The zero-digit element
only allows a single numeric character. This means that a
sequence such as U+0030 U+20E3 would not be permitted. See
section 5.5
action-376?
<trackbot> action-376 -- Steven Atkin to Provide Guidance on
Collation Tailorings -- due 2014-12-02 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[32]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/376
[32] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/376
Section 13.1.3 requires that all implementers must recognize
collation URIs as described in the Unicode Collation Algorithm,
however there is no requirement to actually support any
tailorings. I think we may want to consider requiring some
level of support that all implementers will provide.
steve: how useful is it without support requirement?
issue-392?
<trackbot> issue-392 -- Decimal Format incomplete? -- open
<trackbot> [33]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/392
[33] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/392
In Section 5.5, there is a definition of "decimal-format". The
structure here is similar to that found in CLDR/LDML [1], which
is a very good thing. However, there are additional number
related items in that section of LDML, particularly related to
decimal, percent, scientific, and currency formatting.
[1] http://www.w3.org/
issue-393?
<trackbot> issue-393 -- zero-digit replacement? -- open
<trackbot> [34]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/393
[34] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/393
XSLT decimal-format contains a "zero-digit" item (to start
blocks of digits). CLDR now deprecates this (which doesn't mean
you should remove it because: compatibility). CLDR has replaced
this with number system, which XSLT might consider adding.
issue-394?
<trackbot> issue-394 -- decimal-format reference CLDR? -- open
<trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/394
[35] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/394
decimal-format seems to mirror much of what CLDR provides in
terms of base data for formatting numbers in XSL-FO. Would it
be useful to provide an informative reference to CLDR as a
source for filling in this structure?
Thinking out loud, would it be useful to allow direct reference
to a language/locale in this structure as a shorthand for using
implementation-specific locale data (often based on CLDR).
JcK: better to incorporate so that they aren't "parallel
documents" if that's what they're trying to do
... or say why they aren't tracking CLDR
addison: think they relationship should be somewhat explicit
issue-396?
<trackbot> issue-396 -- character maps needs a string? -- open
<trackbot> [36]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/396
[36] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/396
The 'character-maps' feature allows mapping a Unicode 'char'
(which is defined in a way that means a Unicode codepoint) to a
replacement string. This is good for most purposes, but it's
not clear to me if grapheme cluster sequences might be useful
here as well.
<Leandro> Need to leave a bit early today - 'til next week
[37]http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt-30/#character-maps
[37] http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt-30/#character-maps
issue-395?
<trackbot> issue-395 -- URI developments ⓣ -- open
<trackbot> [38]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/395
[38] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/395
[Definition: Within this specification, the term URI Reference,
unless otherwise stated, refers to a string in the lexical
space of the xs:anyURI datatype as defined in [XML Schema Part
2].] Note that this is a wider definition than that in
[RFC3986]: in particular, it is designed to accommodate
Internationalized Resource Identifiers (IRIs) as described in
[RFC3987], and thus allows the use of non-ASCII characters
without escaping.
--
This is a Good Thing, but continuing developments in the
URI/IRI/URL space need to be tracked. I don't see any specific
changes needed now: I'm creating this as a tracking issue.
richard: have a request
<scribe> ACTION: addison: write apologetic email about lateness
and forward XSLT3.0 comments [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2014/12/11-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-385 - Write apologetic email about
lateness and forward xslt3.0 comments [on Addison Phillips -
due 2014-12-18].
David: regrets next week
AOB?
richard: send in comments about LTLI draft via email
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: write apologetic email about lateness
and forward XSLT3.0 comments [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2014/12/11-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: leandro: follow up with cldr ticket to add
counter style data [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2014/12/11-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Richard to suggest wording for Somnath to add to
indic layout intro to explain that we'll do other languages
later [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2014/12/11-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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