[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2014-10-09

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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

09 Oct 2014

    [2]Agenda

       [2] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Oct/0003.html

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Addison, Richard, Steve, JcK, Dennis, Xiaoqian, Koji

    Regrets
           Felix, Leandro, David, Mati

    Chair
           Addison Phillips

    Scribe
           Addison Phillips

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Agenda
          2. [6]Action Items
          3. [7]Info Share
          4. [8]RADAR
          5. [9]meeting with Digital Publications IG on Friday
             afternoon during TPAC
          6. [10]Intent to Implement Form Controls Respecting @lang
          7. [11]AOB?
          8. [12]What Time Is This Meeting At?
          9. [13]AOB?
      * [14]Summary of Action Items
      __________________________________________________________

Agenda

Action Items

    close action-344

    <trackbot> Closed action-344.

    close action-346

    <trackbot> Closed action-346.

    close action-348

    <trackbot> Closed action-348.

    action-349?

    <trackbot> action-349 -- Richard Ishida to Put together
    framework for wiki/document discussing issues and proposals for
    handling locale of form widgets -- due 2014-10-09 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [15]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/349

      [15] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/349

Info Share

    richard: did an edit on english version of chinese layout
    requirements
    ... which is mainly just the ruby parts
    ... will discuss with xiaoqian tomorrow

    <xiaoqian> [16]https://clreq.hackpad.com/Ruby_en-LEZdmNzTVUf

      [16] https://clreq.hackpad.com/Ruby_en-LEZdmNzTVUf

    richard: may not be to fpwd by tpac

    xiaoqian: need some more pictures, but would be good to finish
    by then

RADAR

    [17]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar

      [17] https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar

    addison: two new docs

    steve: will look at XSLT
    ... and shepherd

meeting with Digital Publications IG on Friday afternoon during TPAC

    richard: Ivan Herrmann contacted xiaoqian and I
    ... and wanted to know if we'd talk to digital pubs group
    ... about the latin layout requirements
    ... and yes, the whole WG
    ... we meet Thurs/Fri
    ... and they have time Friday about 2 PM
    ... so should all go

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: notify membership that I18N will meet
    with DigPubs at 3 PM on Friday at TPAC [recorded in
    [18]http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-350 - Notify membership that i18n
    will meet with digpubs at 3 pm on friday at tpac [on Addison
    Phillips - due 2014-10-16].

    richard: have a preso to use as a basis

    addison: may have some slides for you, but would love to see
    yours

    richard: can post link

    <r12a>
    [19]http://www.w3.org/International/talks/1409-china/china2014.
    pdf

      [19] http://www.w3.org/International/talks/1409-china/china2014.pdf

Intent to Implement Form Controls Respecting @lang

    [20]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014O
    ct/0000.html

      [20] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Oct/0000.html

    <r12a>
    [21]https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/blin
    k-dev/QpEoCwU0Ttg

      [21] 
https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/blink-dev/QpEoCwU0Ttg

    richard: the implementers are suggesting two things:
    ... 1. automatic provision of translated text controls like
    'Submit' on buttons
    ... 2. presentation of dates and numbers is localized unless
    otherwise specified

    <r12a> local tagging of language can be useful for mislabelled
    pages

    <r12a> ... and clearer control of legacy pages

    <r12a> addison: if you want opt in you'd need something other
    than lang addition

    <r12a> koji: so the idea of adding to form control provides an
    opt in mechanism

    <r12a> steve: we need to avoid potential confusion in the user
    - so if the html controls clearly indicate what's going on that
    would help

    <r12a> john: that would be a good idea independent of this
    discussion

    <r12a> steve: i don't think the html standard currently
    requires an input format pattern

    <r12a> ... it's 'presentational'

    <r12a> ... what if the user chooses a locale thats unavailable
    - could it be a security risk?

    <r12a> koji: also possible security risk of people using format
    to create misdirection

    <r12a> addison: data fields have a prescribed wire format

    <r12a> steve: whatever the presentation, it's sent over only in
    one form

    <r12a> john: the browser still needs to interpret what you type
    to get the conversion correct

    1.000

    <r12a> koji: how to be 100% sure about what is being
    transmitted - that's why we want to investigate to determine
    whether there are really security issues

    <r12a> addison: it also interacts with CSS and other external
    things that could be used to affect it

    <r12a> koji: we seem to be agreeing that this is generally a
    good idea, but needs careful consideration, and would be good
    to have a list of things to discuss

    addison: should we chime in on discussion?

    <r12a> agreement to let them know that we're thinking about it

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: respond to intent to implement @lang
    in forms with note that we're building a document describing
    issues [recorded in
    [22]http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-351 - Respond to intent to implement
    @lang in forms with note that we're building a document
    describing issues [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-10-16].

    <r12a> addison: what about digit shaping per locale?

    addison: digit shaping might happen by default
    ... will copy koji and public list on my AI

AOB?

What Time Is This Meeting At?

    addison: what date would we start? proposed was 13th of
    November
    ... no calls during IUC38 or TPAC

    will have new time starting the 13th

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: change teleconference call time
    starting 13 November [recorded in
    [23]http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-352 - Change teleconference call time
    starting 13 november [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-10-16].

AOB?

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: addison: change teleconference call time starting
    13 November [recorded in
    [24]http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
    [NEW] ACTION: addison: notify membership that I18N will meet
    with DigPubs at 3 PM on Friday at TPAC [recorded in
    [25]http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: addison: respond to intent to implement @lang in
    forms with note that we're building a document describing
    issues [recorded in
    [26]http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

    [End of minutes]

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