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[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2013-01-31

From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:42:51 +0000
Message-ID: <510AAD1B.5030705@w3.org>
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

31 Jan 2013



    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/01/31-i18n-irc


           Addison, Norbert, Felix, John, Richard


           Addison Phillips

           Addison Phillips


      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Agenda and Minutes
          2. [6]Action Items
          3. [7]Info Share
          4. [8]Scribing
          5. [9]Ruby and Directionality in ITS2.0
          6. [10]Publishing BOM article
          7. [11]AOB?
      * [12]Summary of Action Items

Agenda and Minutes

Action Items

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: ping anne about encoding spec
    [recorded in

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-176 - Ping anne about encoding spec
    [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-02-07].

    <r12a> [14]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

      [14] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

    close ACTION-158

    <trackbot> Closed ACTION-158 Contact Aharon about creating
    tests for unicode-bidi: isolate.

    close ACTION-172

    <trackbot> Closed ACTION-172 Separately poll for final
    objections to making this meeting on thursdays at 1600 utc and,
    if none, move the meeting.

    close ACTION-173

    <trackbot> Closed ACTION-173 Update review instruction


      [15] http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/review-instructions

Info Share


    discuss scribing on rotation or regularly

    felix, addison, john: rotation okay

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: establish scribing rotation [recorded
    in [16]http://www.w3.org/2013/01/31-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-177 - Establish scribing rotation [on
    Addison Phillips - due 2013-02-07].

    addison: or 3

    felix: offers to scribe in 2 weeks

Ruby and Directionality in ITS2.0





    scribe: had f2f last week

    felix: thanks for all the comments
    ... went through everything
    ... wrote replies
    ... editing to follow
    ... thanks for the non-i18n comments
    ... wanted to ensure we mentioned
    ... don't know best way to address ruby/direction comments
    ... in terms of ruby did see consensus whether to clarify or
    ... both ruby and direction are in flux in html5
    ... implementers: could make normative, could take from its1.0
    ... but maybe a bad idea to make normative stuff that isn't in
    ... talking to PLH
    ... and robin berjon helping edit
    ... keep normative, but find way to update
    ... ??

    addison: direction still same, only being extended (can extend

    norbert: keep as 1.0, but add note and refer to changes coming?

    richard: will html5 finalize in time for its spec? probably no
    ... and can't be guaranteed
    ... with @dir, small issue in my mind
    ... at a global level, having such-and-such direction on an
    element is fine
    ... its suggests local market for rlo/lro?
    ... ruby also has this issue
    ... local markup is out of sync



    felix: look at latest spec

    <fsasaki> its:rubyRule selector="/text/body/img[$1\47]/@alt">
    <its:rubyText>World Wide Web Consortium</its:rubyText>

    felix: haven't seen anyone write xpath expression for ruby
    ... no one has impmented, rendering, etc.
    ... what would be the value?

    norbert: because ruby not implements, should just drop?

    richard: step back a sec.
    ... had in ITS1.0; were there implementations?
    ... do those count, if so?

    <fsasaki> [20]https://www.w3.org/International/its/tests

      [20] https://www.w3.org/International/its/tests

    felix: impl tests for serializing data model



    felix: if you process global ruby rules
    ... could make tests for 2.0
    ... no take up for past 5 years
    ... XLIFF 2.0 wants directionality

    addison: unsurprising no ruby impl: assymetry in source/target

    felix: time/funding pressure
    ... not stable at 2.0, have a note
    ... plan for 2.1 that could provide normative representation
    ... for direction and ruby for non-html environments (e.g.

    norbert: just drop ruby because can't go to rec without 2
    interop impls

    addison: +1

    richard: what to do with directionality?
    ... what's there is "important" and continues to be relevant,
    so keep
    ... is it that hard to implement??

    <fsasaki> [22]http://tinyurl.com/its20-testsuite-dashboard

      [22] http://tinyurl.com/its20-testsuite-dashboard

    felix: instability of html5 is only problem
    ... express in a note that changes could impact it

    norbert: richard, you mentioned rlo/lro problem?

    richard: just drop lro/rlo bit?


      [23] http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its20-20121206/#directionality

    felix: the 'meat' of directionality in ITS 1 or 2 is just four
    bullet points
    ... so can parse whatever is there into xliff

    richard: think that xhmtl2 and css both have rlo/lro
    ... local elements could have overrides in block elements
    ... but html5 doesn't work that way

    norbert: add note that rlo and lro not useful in html5 but may
    be in other formats

    felix: just transport values, don't translate them
    ... XLIFF2 being developed
    ... question whether being transported or being interpreted
    ... but ITS is just the transport, not making this decision

    <scribe> ACTION: norbert: coordinate proposing text for ITS
    directionality with richard [recorded in

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-178 - Coordinate proposing text for
    ITS directionality with richard [on Norbert Lindenberg - due

    <joconner1> another obligation at this time.

Publishing BOM article



    richard: propose...
    ... 1, publish new bom document



    ... 2. direct people away from old doc
    ... link here:

    should be discontinued

      [27] http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-bom

    <r12a> use a server redirect

    norbert: approve

    addison: approve

    john: approve

    <scribe> ACTION: richard: publish BOM document [recorded in

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-179 - Publish BOM document [on
    Richard Ishida - due 2013-02-07].


    <scribe> ACTION: addison: file individual comments on
    css3-text-decoration [recorded in

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-180 - File individual comments on
    css3-text-decoration [on Addison Phillips - due 2013-02-07].

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: addison: establish scribing rotation [recorded in
    [NEW] ACTION: addison: file individual comments on
    css3-text-decoration [recorded in
    [NEW] ACTION: addison: ping anne about encoding spec [recorded
    in [32]http://www.w3.org/2013/01/31-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: norbert: coordinate proposing text for ITS
    directionality with richard [recorded in
    [NEW] ACTION: richard: publish BOM document [recorded in

    [End of minutes]

Richard Ishida
Internationalization Activity Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)

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