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RE: Text Editor

From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:40:34 -0000
To: "'Martin Duerst'" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>, "'Andre Schappo'" <A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk>, <www-international@w3.org>
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> Your "logical display mode" would mean that e.g. Arabic and Hebrew
> are written left-to-right, which would simply be unreadable. So that
> would be my explanation for why such an editor doesn't exist.

On the other hand, for people who don't actually speak these languages and
just want to insert examples into text, etc. that could be fine.  I must
admit that I'd quite like to be able to do that myself, from time to time.
It would make it much easier to check I have a complicated example right. I
think Najib wanted something similar, too.

RI

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Richard Ishida
Internationalization Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)

http://www.w3.org/International/
http://rishida.net/



> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-international-request@w3.org [mailto:www-international-
> request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Martin Duerst
> Sent: 11 November 2008 01:23
> To: Andre Schappo; www-international@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Text Editor
> 
> 
> At 23:19 08/11/09, Andre Schappo wrote:
> >
> >I am new to this list so apologies if I initially go over old ground.
> >
> >I have just been reading
<http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-bidi-
> controls > and have experimented with both unicode and html methods of
> >controlling directionality.
> >
> >What I would really like is a Text Editor that I can toggle between
> >"bidi display mode" and "logical display mode"
> >
> >By "logical display mode" I mean that the editor shows the raw
> >underlying characters ie the order they were typed in
> >
> >By "bidi display mode" I mean displaying the final form after
> >application of the direction directives/"character properties".
> >
> >Anyone know of such a Text Editor ?? I am using Leopard on an Apple Mac.
> >
> >I have already tried several editors and also gone down to the Unix
> >level (pico & vi) but none provide both display modes.
> 
> Your "logical display mode" would mean that e.g. Arabic and Hebrew
> are written left-to-right, which would simply be unreadable. So that
> would be my explanation for why such an editor doesn't exist.
> It may be possible to find an editor that essentially does
> "logical display" by simply using an editor that doesn't do
> any bidi processing. But even editors that don't do any bidi
> processing these days may end up with some kind of poor bidi
> display, because of the way they use an underlying (OS or
> window system) rendering engine.
> 
> For a somewhat different approach on how to edit bidi html
> and xml, please have a look at
> http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp/2005/pub/IUC28-bidi/ and
> http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp/2008/pub/IUC32-bidi/.
> Comments and questions welcome.
> 
> Regards,   Martin.
> 
> 
> 
> #-#-#  Martin J. Du"rst, Assoc. Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University
> #-#-#  http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp       mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp
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