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Re: For review: An Introduction to Multilingual Web Addresses

From: Michael Monaghan <Michael.Monaghan@Sun.COM>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:48:32 -0400
To: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Cc: www-international@w3.org
Message-id: <46083FB0.8010503@sun.com>

Hi Richard,

Nice work on the docs.

Some comments.

wrt http://www.w3.org/International/tests/test-idn-display-1:

Near the top it says:

"Run each test twice. First with only en or en-US listed in the browser language 
preferences, and secondly with the following additional languages in the preferences: 
Russian, Japanese, German, Greek, Hindi, Armenian, Thai and 'am' (user defined code for 
Amharic)...."

This part only applies to IE - right? If so, then maybe that should be called out.

Also, did you see Najib's email of March 7? - He made the point that even for some 
'supported' TLDs, Firefox displays Arabic & Hebrew domain names in punycode.
Yet, if you mix some Latin characters with the Arabic [and possibly Hebrew] domain names, 
they render fine... peculiar.

Anyway, it would be useful to include some Arabic/Hebrew IDNs in the list of examples.

Thanks,

~mm


Richard Ishida wrote:
 > The edits continue...
 >
 > I have reworded the description of Firefox and Opera at
 > http://localhost/International/articles/idn-and-iri/#work
 > to reflect the results of the tests, and replaced the previous, incorrect sentence 
which suggested that Firefox actually compares the list of characters defined by a TLD 
against those in the IDN.
 >
 > I also added a paragraph in the IE7 section, mentioning the case of Amharic.
 >
 > I removed the table, and pointed to the tests and results pages instead.
 >
 > I also added a few more tests, and wrote up their results.
 > http://www.w3.org/International/tests/test-idn-display-1
 > http://www.w3.org/International/tests/results/results-idn-display
 >
 > RI
 >
 > ============
 > Richard Ishida
 > Internationalization Lead
 > W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
 >
 > http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
 > http://www.w3.org/International/
 > http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
 > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/
 >
 >
 >
 >> -----Original Message-----
 >> From: www-international-request@w3.org
 >> [mailto:www-international-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Richard Ishida
 >> Sent: 23 March 2007 11:58
 >> To: Michael.Monaghan@Sun.COM
 >> Cc: 'WWW International'
 >> Subject: RE: For review: An Introduction to Multilingual Web Addresses
 >>
 >>
 >> I've just uploaded a results page for the IDN tests at
 >> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/results/results-idn-display.php
 >>
 >> While writing up the results, I added a few additional tests to
 >> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/test-idn-display-1
 >>
 >> I'll wait a day or so for comments before linking from the
 >> site (and pointing Opera to the tests).
 >>
 >> RI
 >>
 >> ============
 >> Richard Ishida
 >> Internationalization Lead
 >> W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
 >>
 >> http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
 >> http://www.w3.org/International/
 >> http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
 >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>> -----Original Message-----
 >>> From: www-international-request@w3.org
 >>> [mailto:www-international-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of
 >> Richard Ishida
 >>> Sent: 22 March 2007 21:10
 >>> To: Michael.Monaghan@Sun.COM
 >>> Cc: 'WWW International'
 >>> Subject: RE: For review: An Introduction to Multilingual
 >> Web Addresses
 >>>
 >>> I put together an initial draft of a set of tests at
 >>> http://www.w3.org/International/tests/test-idn-display-1
 >>>
 >>> It was revealing wrt Firefox's approach.  What we put in
 >> the article
 >>> isn't quite right. I'll try to change it tomorrow.
 >>>
 >>> RI
 >>>
 >>> ============
 >>> Richard Ishida
 >>> Internationalization Lead
 >>> W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
 >>>
 >>> http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
 >>> http://www.w3.org/International/
 >>> http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
 >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>> -----Original Message-----
 >>>> From: Richard Ishida [mailto:ishida@w3.org]
 >>>> Sent: 22 March 2007 16:38
 >>>> To: 'Richard Ishida'; Michael.Monaghan@Sun.COM
 >>>> Cc: 'WWW International'
 >>>> Subject: RE: For review: An Introduction to Multilingual
 >>> Web Addresses
 >>>> On the other hand, it occurs to me that we *can* make
 >> tests out of
 >>>> these by looking at the status bar as we mouse over the
 >> IRI.  So I
 >>>> think I'll create a test page now and remove the table from
 >>> the actual
 >>>> article, converting it into a test results page.
 >>>>
 >>>> RI
 >>>>
 >>>> ============
 >>>> Richard Ishida
 >>>> Internationalization Lead
 >>>> W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
 >>>>
 >>>> http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
 >>>> http://www.w3.org/International/
 >>>> http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
 >>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>> -----Original Message-----
 >>>>> From: www-international-request@w3.org
 >>>>> [mailto:www-international-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of
 >>>> Richard Ishida
 >>>>> Sent: 22 March 2007 16:17
 >>>>> To: Michael.Monaghan@Sun.COM
 >>>>> Cc: 'WWW International'
 >>>>> Subject: RE: For review: An Introduction to Multilingual
 >>>> Web Addresses
 >>>>>
 >>>>> Hi Michael,
 >>>>>
 >>>>> Since these were not really tests, I substantially changed the
 >>>>> introductory text just before the table.
 >>>>>
 >>>>> (It would be nice if we could register a set of IDNs like
 >>> this and
 >>>>> turn this into a real set of test results.)
 >>>>>
 >>>>> RI
 >>>>>
 >>>>>
 >>>>> ============
 >>>>> Richard Ishida
 >>>>> Internationalization Lead
 >>>>> W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
 >>>>>
 >>>>> http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
 >>>>> http://www.w3.org/International/
 >>>>> http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
 >>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/
 >>>>>
 >>>>>
 >>>>>
 >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
 >>>>>> From: Michael.Monaghan@Sun.COM
 >> [mailto:Michael.Monaghan@Sun.COM]
 >>>>>> Sent: 05 March 2007 22:12
 >>>>>> To: Richard Ishida
 >>>>>> Cc: 'WWW International'
 >>>>>> Subject: Re: For review: An Introduction to Multilingual
 >>>>> Web Addresses
 >>>>>> Hi Richard,
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> It's unfortunate that the table of examples forces a
 >> horizontal
 >>>>>> scrollbar. Not sure if that can be easily fixed.
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> Also, above the table it says that "These tests were run in
 >>>>> February
 >>>>>> 2007 on Windows XP ...." - that was before the Safari
 >>>> behavior was
 >>>>>> added.
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> Thanks,
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> ~mm
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> Richard Ishida wrote:
 >>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/International/articles/idn-and-iri/#work
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>> Comments are being sought on the revised section of this
 >>>>>> article entitled "Does it work?"
 >>>>>>> prior to final completion. Please send any comments to
 >>>>>> www-international@w3.org (subscribe).
 >>>>>>> We expect to publish a final version in one to two weeks.
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>> Thanks.
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>> ============
 >>>>>>> Richard Ishida
 >>>>>>> Internationalization Lead
 >>>>>>> W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
 >>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/International/
 >>>>>>> http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
 >>>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/
 >>>>>>>
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