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Re: Invalid relationship between bandwidth and spoken language

From: Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:03:06 -0800
Message-ID: <30b660a20703101603i4c119d57m8fc0df81d34642b1@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Simon Montagu" <smontagu@smontagu.org>
Cc: "Jonathan Rosenne" <rosennej@qsm.co.il>, www-international@w3.org, w3c-i18n-ig <w3c-i18n-ig@w3.org>
that would be really good...

On 3/10/07, Simon Montagu <smontagu@smontagu.org> wrote:
>
> I proposed some time ago adding a value "auto" to the css "direction"
> property to achieve this result.
>
> Mark Davis wrote:
> > Side issue: Interestingly, we've found that the ltr/rtl options are
> > insufficient. What people want in many cases in input fields is the
> > "default" algorithm, whereby even on a generally rtl page, the field
> > becomes ltr if the first strong character is ltr. Right now we are
> > simulating that with JavaScript (but it is a pain to do so).
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On 3/9/07, *Jonathan Rosenne* <rosennej@qsm.co.il
> > <mailto:rosennej@qsm.co.il>> wrote:
> >
> >     This was a strange remark. For Arabic or Hebrew texts, little if any
> >     bidi markup is needed. dir="rtl" on the HTML will do the work. As
> >     the referenced article says, it is only needed for mixed content.
> >     And then there is no difference between LTR text contained in an RTL
> >     document and RTL text contained in an LTR document.
> >
> >     Jony
> >
> >         -----Original Message-----
> >         *From:* www-international-request@w3.org
> >         <mailto:www-international-request@w3.org> [mailto:
> >         www-international-request@w3.org
> >         <mailto:www-international-request@w3.org>] *On Behalf Of
> >         *Richard Ishida
> >         *Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2007 4:11 PM
> >         *To:* 'Rotan Hanrahan'
> >         *Cc:* www-international@w3.org <mailto:www-international@w3.org>
> >         *Subject:* RE: Invalid relationship between bandwidth and spoken
> >         language
> >
> >         Fixed.
> >
> >         RI
> >
> >         ============
> >         Richard Ishida
> >         Internationalization Lead
> >         W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
> >
> >         http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
> >         http://www.w3.org/International/
> >         http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
> >         http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >             *From:* www-international-request@w3.org
> >             <mailto:www-international-request@w3.org>
> >             [mailto:www-international-request@w3.org
> >             <mailto:www-international-request@w3.org>] *On Behalf Of
> >             *Rotan Hanrahan
> >             *Sent:* 09 March 2007 12:59
> >             *To:* www-international@w3.org <mailto:
> www-international@w3.org>
> >             *Subject:* Invalid relationship between bandwidth and spoken
> >             language
> >
> >             A colleague of mine, working in an Arabic speaking region of
> >             the world has pointed out a comment [1] regarding the use of
> >             bidi markup, in which it is stated:
> >
> >             "Removing them will significantly simplify the document, and
> >             reduce bandwidth - which may be an important consideration
> >             in countries where Arabic is spoken."
> >
> >             This line seems to suggest that there is an association
> >             between lack of adequate network bandwidth and the speaking
> >             of Arabic, an implication I am sure was not intended.
> >             Firstly, the effect of bidi markup on bandwidth consumption
> >             is negligible compared to the accompanying graphics.
> >             Secondly, any saving on payload size should be seen as
> >             universally beneficial, not just for countries characterised
> >             by the language they speak.
> >
> >             I suggest that the closing part of that statement ("in
> >             countries where Arabic is spoken") be removed from future
> >             revisions, as it is unnecessary and open to
> misinterpretation.
> >
> >             ---Rotan.
> >
> >             [1]
> >             _http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-
> bidi.html#ri20030726.132037950_
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Mark
>
>


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Mark
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