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Re: Invalid relationship between bandwidth and spoken language

From: Simon Montagu <smontagu@smontagu.org>
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:39:18 +0200
Message-ID: <45F32586.3030606@smontagu.org>
To: Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
Cc: Jonathan Rosenne <rosennej@qsm.co.il>, www-international@w3.org, w3c-i18n-ig <w3c-i18n-ig@w3.org>

I proposed some time ago adding a value "auto" to the css "direction" 
property to achieve this result.

Mark Davis wrote:
> Side issue: Interestingly, we've found that the ltr/rtl options are 
> insufficient. What people want in many cases in input fields is the 
> "default" algorithm, whereby even on a generally rtl page, the field 
> becomes ltr if the first strong character is ltr. Right now we are 
> simulating that with JavaScript (but it is a pain to do so).
> 
> Mark
> 
> On 3/9/07, *Jonathan Rosenne* <rosennej@qsm.co.il 
> <mailto:rosennej@qsm.co.il>> wrote:
> 
>     This was a strange remark. For Arabic or Hebrew texts, little if any
>     bidi markup is needed. dir="rtl" on the HTML will do the work. As
>     the referenced article says, it is only needed for mixed content.
>     And then there is no difference between LTR text contained in an RTL
>     document and RTL text contained in an LTR document.
>      
>     Jony
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         *From:* www-international-request@w3.org
>         <mailto:www-international-request@w3.org> [mailto:
>         www-international-request@w3.org
>         <mailto:www-international-request@w3.org>] *On Behalf Of
>         *Richard Ishida
>         *Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2007 4:11 PM
>         *To:* 'Rotan Hanrahan'
>         *Cc:* www-international@w3.org <mailto:www-international@w3.org>
>         *Subject:* RE: Invalid relationship between bandwidth and spoken
>         language
> 
>         Fixed. 
>          
>         RI
>          
>         ============
>         Richard Ishida
>         Internationalization Lead
>         W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
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>             *From:* www-international-request@w3.org
>             <mailto:www-international-request@w3.org>
>             [mailto:www-international-request@w3.org
>             <mailto:www-international-request@w3.org>] *On Behalf Of
>             *Rotan Hanrahan
>             *Sent:* 09 March 2007 12:59
>             *To:* www-international@w3.org <mailto:www-international@w3.org>
>             *Subject:* Invalid relationship between bandwidth and spoken
>             language
> 
>             A colleague of mine, working in an Arabic speaking region of
>             the world has pointed out a comment [1] regarding the use of
>             bidi markup, in which it is stated:
> 
>             "Removing them will significantly simplify the document, and
>             reduce bandwidth - which may be an important consideration
>             in countries where Arabic is spoken."
> 
>             This line seems to suggest that there is an association
>             between lack of adequate network bandwidth and the speaking
>             of Arabic, an implication I am sure was not intended.
>             Firstly, the effect of bidi markup on bandwidth consumption
>             is negligible compared to the accompanying graphics.
>             Secondly, any saving on payload size should be seen as
>             universally beneficial, not just for countries characterised
>             by the language they speak.
> 
>             I suggest that the closing part of that statement ("in
>             countries where Arabic is spoken") be removed from future
>             revisions, as it is unnecessary and open to misinterpretation.
> 
>             ---Rotan.
> 
>             [1]
>             _http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#ri20030726.132037950_
> 
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> 
> -- 
> Mark
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