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Re: Invalid relationship between bandwidth and spoken language

From: Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:32:50 -0800
Message-ID: <30b660a20703090932q22bf2c8dm6ac1d338fa61d115@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Jonathan Rosenne" <rosennej@qsm.co.il>
Cc: www-international@w3.org, w3c-i18n-ig <w3c-i18n-ig@w3.org>
Side issue: Interestingly, we've found that the ltr/rtl options are
insufficient. What people want in many cases in input fields is the
"default" algorithm, whereby even on a generally rtl page, the field becomes
ltr if the first strong character is ltr. Right now we are simulating that
with JavaScript (but it is a pain to do so).

Mark

On 3/9/07, Jonathan Rosenne <rosennej@qsm.co.il> wrote:
>
>  This was a strange remark. For Arabic or Hebrew texts, little if any bidi
> markup is needed. dir="rtl" on the HTML will do the work. As the referenced
> article says, it is only needed for mixed content. And then there is no
> difference between LTR text contained in an RTL document and RTL text
> contained in an LTR document.
>
> Jony
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> *From:* www-international-request@w3.org [mailto:
> www-international-request@w3.org] *On Behalf Of *Richard Ishida
> *Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2007 4:11 PM
> *To:* 'Rotan Hanrahan'
> *Cc:* www-international@w3.org
> *Subject:* RE: Invalid relationship between bandwidth and spoken language
>
> Fixed.
>
> RI
>
> ============
> Richard Ishida
> Internationalization Lead
> W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
>
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>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* www-international-request@w3.org [mailto:
> www-international-request@w3.org] *On Behalf Of *Rotan Hanrahan
> *Sent:* 09 March 2007 12:59
> *To:* www-international@w3.org
> *Subject:* Invalid relationship between bandwidth and spoken language
>
>  A colleague of mine, working in an Arabic speaking region of the world
> has pointed out a comment [1] regarding the use of bidi markup, in which
> it is stated:
>
> "Removing them will significantly simplify the document, and reduce
> bandwidth - which may be an important consideration in countries where
> Arabic is spoken."
>
> This line seems to suggest that there is an association between lack of
> adequate network bandwidth and the speaking of Arabic, an implication I am
> sure was not intended. Firstly, the effect of bidi markup on bandwidth
> consumption is negligible compared to the accompanying graphics. Secondly, any
> saving on payload size should be seen as universally beneficial, not just
> for countries characterised by the language they speak.
>
> I suggest that the closing part of that statement ("in countries where
> Arabic is spoken") be removed from future revisions, as it is unnecessary
> and open to misinterpretation.
>
> ---Rotan.
>
> [1] *
> http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#ri20030726.132037950
> *<http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#ri20030726.132037950>
>
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Mark
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