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Re: For review: Tagging text with no language

From: Najib Tounsi <ntounsi@emi.ac.ma>
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 22:25:47 +0000
Message-ID: <464E27EB.2020001@emi.ac.ma>
To: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
CC: www-international@w3.org, 'LTRU Working Group' <ltru@ietf.org>

Hi Richard,

My feedback is perhaps subjective. My feeling is that, in some places, 
the text is not sufficently clear for those who don't speak English 
fluently.

Anyway, here are some remarks (about 
http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-no-language#undetermined)

- You write
"For example, xml:lang="" might be used if text is included into a 
document from a database that doesn't provide language information..."
It is the text or the document which is from a database? The text of course.
Should I understand this:
For example, xml:lang="" might be used if text is to be included into a 
document and (the text) comes from a database that doesn't provide 
language information ...?

-You write
"The effect would be to cancel any language information declared higher 
up the hierarchy of elements in the document."
What do "cancel any language" means?
 - remove the language information declared higher up the hierarchy? Wrong
 - override this declaration by the new one "und"? Right

Finally the whole story (about the use of "und") is, if you can "leave 
out the markup", go ahead. Mark up only if "you have a particular need 
to indicate that the language is undefined". Right?

The 1st and 4th § of  
(http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-no-language#undetermined) 
say something similar, and could join into one §.

Regards,

Najib

Richard Ishida wrote:
> Thanks, Mark. 
>  
> I made some very slight adjustments to the article, and hopefully it 
> is ok to publish now.
>  
> I18n core folks, please speak out if you don't feel we should agree to 
> publish this during our telecon next Tuesday.
>  
> RI
>  
> ============
> Richard Ishida
> Internationalization Lead
> W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
>  
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> http://www.w3.org/International/
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>  
>  
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* mark.edward.davis@gmail.com
>     [mailto:mark.edward.davis@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Mark Davis
>     *Sent:* 20 April 2007 21:00
>     *To:* Richard Ishida
>     *Cc:* www-international@w3.org; LTRU Working Group
>     *Subject:* Re: For review: Tagging text with no language
>
>     Richard, getting back to the topic of XML, it sounds like we have
>     three cases, illustrated by the following example:
>
>     <p xml:lang="en">There are three cases:
>       <span>foo</span>,
>       <span xml:lang="">foo</span>,
>       <span xml:lang="und">foo</span>
>     </p>
>
>     In the first foo construction, we are saying that it inherits the
>     language "en". The second and third construction are equivalent:
>     we are overriding the "en" setting, and saying that foo is
>     undetermined with regard to language. The difference between them
>     is that:
>
>         * the second construction can't be used in XHTML (or any other
>           case where a DTD or schema requires a value).
>         * the third construction can always be used, but shouldn't be
>           used if the second can be.
>
>     Mark
>
>     On 4/11/07, *Richard Ishida* <ishida@w3.org
>     <mailto:ishida@w3.org>> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>         http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-no-language
>
>         Comments are being sought on this FAQ-based article prior to
>         final release. Please send any comments to
>         www-international@w3.org <mailto:www-international@w3.org>. We
>         expect to publish a final version in one to two weeks.
>
>
>
>         ============
>         Richard Ishida
>         Internationalization Lead
>         W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
>
>         http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
>         http://www.w3.org/International/
>         http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
>         <http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/>
>         http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     -- 
>     Mark 
>


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