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RE: [Ltru] RE: For review: Tagging text with no language

From: Peter Constable <petercon@microsoft.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:27:37 -0700
To: John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org>, Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
CC: "www-international@w3.org" <www-international@w3.org>, LTRU Working Group <ltru@ietf.org>
Message-ID: <DDB6DE6E9D27DD478AE6D1BBBB8357955D038B87D4@NA-EXMSG-C117.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

+1

Peter

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Cowan [mailto:cowan@ccil.org]
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:56 AM
> To: Mark Davis
> Cc: www-international@w3.org; LTRU Working Group
> Subject: Re: [Ltru] RE: For review: Tagging text with no language
>
> Mark Davis scripsit:
>
> > Q1. I had missed the choice of "mis". I agree with that suggestion;
> > we should incorporate that into 4646bis. The problem is ameliorated
> > considerably once we add -3, but it doesn't disappear completely, so
> > "mis" remains a good choice for dealing with that situation.
>
> I did not mean to suggest that "mis" is suitable in cases of ignorance
> about the language in use: it is not a fallback *language* code.  Rather,
> it is a fallback language *collection* code, suitable for languages that
> don't appear in any other ISO 639-2 collection.  By the Ethnologue's
> count, there are about 130 of these.
>
> So it would be an error to tag a language you didn't recognize as 'mis',
> because it is far more likely to be one of the non-'mis' languages, for
> the same reason that it would be incorrect to use 'en' or 'nds' or 'afa'.
> If you want a completely vague language tag, use 'und' (excluding for
> the moment the question of whether non-linguistic content not recognized
> as such can be tagged 'und').
>
> > Q2. The issue *does* remain, since we talk about "und" vs the absence
> > of a language tag, which "" represents.
>
> I still don't see that there's anything more to say than we are
> saying already, which is just a special case of "Tag wisely".
>
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