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RE: New web app: Searching for language subtags

From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:50:06 +0100
To: "'Mark Davis'" <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
Cc: "'Misha Wolf'" <Misha.Wolf@reuters.com>, "'LTRU Working Group'" <ltru@ietf.org>, "'WWW International'" <www-international@w3.org>
Message-ID: <000301c77ae0$475a4630$6501a8c0@rishida>
I carved out some time to change the selection UI.  Hopefully that's now clearer.
 
http://people.w3.org/rishida/utils/subtags/index.php
 
RI
 
 
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From: mark.edward.davis@gmail.com [mailto:mark.edward.davis@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
Sent: 02 April 2007 19:15
To: Richard Ishida
Cc: Misha Wolf; LTRU Working Group; WWW International
Subject: Re: [Ltru] RE: New web app: Searching for language subtags


I have a couple of usability suggestions.

Example. Click on Regions, put in "France" in Search for: and click Show Result. You get unexpected outcome. It isn't clear that the push button only affects what the radio button says. And even after you know this, it's clumsy, since you always have to switch the radio button, then hit the push button. 

Rather than the current interface, it would be faster and less confusing to have pushbuttons for all of what you have as radio buttons, and remove "Show Results". And retitle Descriptions and Subtags as "Search Descriptions" and "Search Subtags". 

Subtags isn't quite right either, since I can put in whole language tags like "ar-Arab". So I'd suggest separating that as a separate button "Search Tags". You don't test for invalid whole tags right now, so "Arab-en". You document that, but it would be easy to fix. I have a regex that tests validity and divides up the language tag into the pieces, so you could use that if you want. 

Mark


On 4/2/07, Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org> wrote: 

Hmm. People who haven't been initiated into the arcane mysteries of BCP 47
still have to use the registry to find subtags. If there are things they
need to understand, we'd better help them there.  Note that they no longer 
see redundant tags when searching for Chinese with my tool, and that I
included a short explanation of redundant in the side notes.  I hope that
will help.

RI

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Richard Ishida
Internationalization Lead 
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)

http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
http://www.w3.org/International/
http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Misha Wolf [mailto: Misha.Wolf@reuters.com <mailto:Misha.Wolf@reuters.com> ]
> Sent: 01 April 2007 15:14
> To: Richard Ishida; WWW International; LTRU Working Group
> Subject: RE: New web app: Searching for language subtags
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> Having spent a few minutes playing with this, it seems to be
> both useful and fun.
>
> My one concern is that people who haven't been initiated into
> the arcane mysteries of BCP 47, might misunderstand the 
> meaning of a heading like "redundant" in response to a search
> for "Chinese".  It needs to be made clear to people that this
> is a tool for examining the registry,
> *NOT* a tool for finding appropriate language tags.  If it is 
> meant to be used for the latter purpose, then some changes
> are very much needed :-)
>
> Regards,
> Misha
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-international-request@w3.org
> [mailto:www-international-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Richard Ishida
> Sent: 01 April 2007 14:59
> To: 'WWW International' 
> Subject: New web app: Searching for language subtags
>
>
> You may find this of interest.  It's purely a personal project.
>
> http://people.w3.org/rishida/utils/subtags/
>
>
> http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/?p=90 says:
>
> This tool allows you to search for tags that have, say, 
> 'french' in their description (there are currently 11), or to
> find out what that mysterious 'ch' tag stands for (there are
> 2 possibilities). Or you can simply list all current language 
> tags, or script tags, or variants, etc.
>
> For months I've been wanting to write a small, Web-based tool
> for finding things in the subtag registry without having to
> work on the (for many people, intimidating) raw text file on 
> the IANA site.
>
> Tom Gruner created an initial tool for pretty printing the
> IANA list, which handled enough of the basics to allow me to
> use the little time I have these days to add the search 
> functionality on top.
>
> If you have JavaScript running, you are shown just the tags
> and descriptions initially, but by clicking on those you can
> reveal all additional information in the registry for a given 
> tag. I also highlight tags that are deprecated, so you can
> see that straight away.
>
> (PS: Some final tweaks to the code will come when I have a
> spare moment for things like making the expanding list more 
> accessible, etc.)
>
> RI
>
>
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> Internationalization Lead
> W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
>
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> http://www.w3.org/International/
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