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Re: [Ltru] RE: New web app: Searching for language subtags

From: CE Whitehead <cewcathar@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 14:55:15 -0400
Message-ID: <BAY114-F28EF0B0C74E42CD42959F9B3600@phx.gbl>
To: mark.davis@icu-project.org, ishida@w3.org
Cc: ltru@ietf.org, www-international@w3.org

Hi, thanks it seems you are right Mark one has to put in a code like fr or 
something
and then choose descriptions or subtags
that's the only way to use the text box

The text box does not work for the radio buttons;
it would be nice to search for a language name (if there were consistent 
language names for all languages!) and get language, variant, what have you 
subtags.


>I have a couple of usability suggestions.
>
>Example. Click on Regions, put in "France" in *Search for: *and click *Show
>Result*. You get unexpected outcome. It isn't clear that the push button
>only affects what the radio button says. And even after you know this, it's
>clumsy, since you always have to switch the radio button, then hit the push
>button.
>
>Rather than the current interface, it would be faster and less confusing to
>have pushbuttons for all of what you have as radio buttons, and remove 
>"Show
>Results". And retitle Descriptions and Subtags as "Search Descriptions" and
>"Search Subtags".
>
>Subtags isn't quite right either, since I can put in whole language tags
>like "ar-Arab". So I'd suggest separating that as a separate button "Search
>Tags". You don't test for invalid whole tags right now, so "Arab-en". You
>document that, but it would be easy to fix. I have a regex that tests
>validity and divides up the language tag into the pieces, so you could use
>that if you want.
>
>Mark
>**
>On 4/2/07, Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org> wrote:
>>
>>Hmm. People who haven't been initiated into the arcane mysteries of BCP 47
>>still have to use the registry to find subtags. If there are things they
>>need to understand, we'd better help them there.  Note that they no longer
>>see redundant tags when searching for Chinese with my tool, and that I
>>included a short explanation of redundant in the side notes.  I hope that
>>will help.
>>
>>RI
>>
>>============
>>Richard Ishida
>>Internationalization Lead
>>W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
>>
>>http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
>>http://www.w3.org/International/
>>http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Misha Wolf [mailto:Misha.Wolf@reuters.com]
>> > Sent: 01 April 2007 15:14
>> > To: Richard Ishida; WWW International; LTRU Working Group
>> > Subject: RE: New web app: Searching for language subtags
>> >
>> > Hi Richard,
>> >
>> > Having spent a few minutes playing with this, it seems to be
>> > both useful and fun.
>> >
>> > My one concern is that people who haven't been initiated into
>> > the arcane mysteries of BCP 47, might misunderstand the
>> > meaning of a heading like "redundant" in response to a search
>> > for "Chinese".  It needs to be made clear to people that this
>> > is a tool for examining the registry,
>> > *NOT* a tool for finding appropriate language tags.  If it is
>> > meant to be used for the latter purpose, then some changes
>> > are very much needed :-)
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Misha
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: www-international-request@w3.org
>> > [mailto:www-international-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Richard Ishida
>> > Sent: 01 April 2007 14:59
>> > To: 'WWW International'
>> > Subject: New web app: Searching for language subtags
>> >
>> >
>> > You may find this of interest.  It's purely a personal project.
>> >
>> > http://people.w3.org/rishida/utils/subtags/
>> >
>> >
>> > http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/?p=90 says:
>> >
>> > This tool allows you to search for tags that have, say,
>> > 'french' in their description (there are currently 11), or to
>> > find out what that mysterious 'ch' tag stands for (there are
>> > 2 possibilities). Or you can simply list all current language
>> > tags, or script tags, or variants, etc.
>> >
>> > For months I've been wanting to write a small, Web-based tool
>> > for finding things in the subtag registry without having to
>> > work on the (for many people, intimidating) raw text file on
>> > the IANA site.
>> >
>> > Tom Gruner created an initial tool for pretty printing the
>> > IANA list, which handled enough of the basics to allow me to
>> > use the little time I have these days to add the search
>> > functionality on top.
>> >
>> > If you have JavaScript running, you are shown just the tags
>> > and descriptions initially, but by clicking on those you can
>> > reveal all additional information in the registry for a given
>> > tag. I also highlight tags that are deprecated, so you can
>> > see that straight away.
>> >
>> > (PS: Some final tweaks to the code will come when I have a
>> > spare moment for things like making the expanding list more
>> > accessible, etc.)
>> >
>> > RI
>> >
>> >
>> > ============
>> > Richard Ishida
>> > Internationalization Lead
>> > W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
>> >
>> > http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
>> > http://www.w3.org/International/
>> > http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
>> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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