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Re: What to do with Gaulish ? What to do with American Renaissance French

From: CE Whitehead <cewcathar@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:43:07 -0500
Message-ID: <BAY114-F193BF35DB34CE18245B318B3F70@phx.gbl>
To: cowan@ccil.org
Cc: www-international@w3.org

Hi, I checked again; you do still have both
frm (Middle French) and fro (Old French) (somehow I missed the Old French 
subtag before and was wondering what periods frm encompassed);
there might be a separate frern (Renaissance French) or something subtag but 
it does not seem so essential because I can use frm to include 17th century 
French in the New World perhaps by adding the regional tag US plus a comment 
somewhere in my meta content.
That would do for me for now!

so frm-US maybe ???

As opposed to fr-US-x-rn

It's defining the dates that is the problem, mainly.

I'll check though with some other people working in French to see if they 
want a tag for the 17th century.

Thanks again for the started form.

Disregard my previous email!


C. E. Whitehead

>From: John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org>
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>Renaissance French
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>CE Whitehead scripsit:
> > I've been using fr-x-rn to identify Renaissance and 17th C French
> > (x-rn is experimental since there is not a tag though there is clearly a
> > Renaissance vocabulary that is in some ways reminiscent of Old
> > French--medieval French--but is quite distinct from it).
>I'd urge you to go ahead and get a variant registered.  Fill out the
>following form and send it to ietf-languages@iana.org (register
>by sending a request to ietf-languages-request@iana.org first):
>    1. Name of requester: C. E. Whitehead
>    2. E-mail address of requester: cewcathar@hotmail.com
>    3. Record Requested:
>       Type: variant
>       Subtag:
>       Description: 17th-century French
>       Prefix: fr
>       Comments:
>    4. Intended meaning of the subtag:
>    5. Reference to published description
>       of the language (book or article):
>    6. Any other relevant information:
>I've filled it out in part already.  Subtags are 5-8 letters or digits
>long, and should be specific to the language in question ("Renaissance"
>means different time periods in different cultures, not to mention that
>there are other renaissances such as the Carolingian one).
>If your arguments are convincing, you could have a registered
>subtag within a few weeks.
> > But I note that that the French from the New World at the time of the
> > Renaissance & 17th C has some particularities of its own:
> >
> > Is a tag like:
> >               fr-US-X-rn
> > excessive?
>Not at all; it is very reasonable.  It says "Modern French as spoken
>in the U.S. with a private subtag 'rn'."  If you register a standard
>subtag per above, you will be able to use such combinations freely.
> > Or would such a tag be helpful; there is clearly a U.S. variety of
> > French today, in Louisiana, but it's "Accadian;" there's also "Cajun"
> > which combines English and French I guess.
>The next version of RFC 4646, which will incorporate ISO 639-3 (a
>comprehensive list of languages based on the SIL Ethnologue) will
>have codes for "Cajun French" (frc) and "Louisiana Creole French" (lou),
>as well as lots of other French creoles from outside the U.S.
>It's not currently licit to use those codes, but it's not like
>anyone could stop you.
>But the next day there came no dawn,            John Cowan
>and the Grey Company passed on into the         cowan@ccil.org
>darkness of the Storm of Mordor and were        http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
>lost to mortal sight; but the Dead
>followed them.          --"The Passing of the Grey Company"

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