W3C home > Mailing lists > Public > www-international@w3.org > October to December 2006

Re: What to do with Gaulish ? What to do with American Renaissance French

From: CE Whitehead <cewcathar@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:43:07 -0500
Message-ID: <BAY114-F193BF35DB34CE18245B318B3F70@phx.gbl>
To: cowan@ccil.org
Cc: www-international@w3.org


Hi, I checked again; you do still have both
frm (Middle French) and fro (Old French) (somehow I missed the Old French 
subtag before and was wondering what periods frm encompassed);
there might be a separate frern (Renaissance French) or something subtag but 
it does not seem so essential because I can use frm to include 17th century 
French in the New World perhaps by adding the regional tag US plus a comment 
somewhere in my meta content.
That would do for me for now!

so frm-US maybe ???

As opposed to fr-US-x-rn

It's defining the dates that is the problem, mainly.

I'll check though with some other people working in French to see if they 
want a tag for the 17th century.

Thanks again for the started form.

Disregard my previous email!

Sincerely,

C. E. Whitehead
cewcathar@hotmail.com




>From: John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org>
>To: CE Whitehead <cewcathar@hotmail.com>
>CC: www-international@w3.org
>Subject: Re: What to do with Gaulish  ? What to do with American 
>Renaissance French
>Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:29:46 -0500
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Received: from frink.w3.org ([128.30.52.16]) by 
>bay0-mc4-f8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Thu, 9 
>Nov 2006 08:31:15 -0800
>Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.50)id 
>1GiCn2-000543-Befor www-international-dist@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 
>16:30:09 +0000
>Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68])by frink.w3.org with esmtp 
>(Exim 4.50)id 1GiCmv-0004Xt-VKfor www-international@listhub.w3.org; Thu, 09 
>Nov 2006 16:30:02 +0000
>Received: from mercury.ccil.org ([192.190.237.100])by maggie.w3.org with 
>esmtp (Exim 4.50)id 1GiCmi-0003Sv-G5for www-international@w3.org; Thu, 09 
>Nov 2006 16:29:58 +0000
>Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.34)id 
>1GiCmg-00064I-6V; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:29:46 -0500
>Received: none (maggie.w3.org: domain of cowan@ccil.org does not designate 
>permitted sender hosts)
>X-Message-Info: txF49lGdW43kjS5jQTypm8tQbkhPFKiJh2U//OZg8bE=
>References: <455219DF.3FE0@xyzzy.claranet.de> 
><BAY114-F645694A1CCA28EB892699B3F00@phx.gbl>
>User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i
>X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6
>X-W3C-Scan-Sig: maggie.w3.org 1GiCmi-0003Sv-G5 
>83ffcad26a0a4c9b69ae0fe25940c5db
>X-Original-To: www-international@w3.org
>X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/20061109162946.GN16691@ccil.org
>Resent-From: www-international@w3.org
>X-Mailing-List: <www-international@w3.org> archive/latest/4880
>X-Loop: www-international@w3.org
>Resent-Sender: www-international-request@w3.org
>Precedence: list
>List-Id: <www-international.w3.org>
>List-Help: <http://www.w3.org/Mail/>
>List-Unsubscribe: 
><mailto:www-international-request@w3.org?subject=unsubscribe>
>Resent-Message-Id: <E1GiCn2-000543-Be@frink.w3.org>
>Resent-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:30:08 +0000
>Return-Path: www-international-request@listhub.w3.org
>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2006 16:31:16.0603 (UTC) 
>FILETIME=[7A9CA4B0:01C7041C]
>
>
>CE Whitehead scripsit:
>
> > I've been using fr-x-rn to identify Renaissance and 17th C French
> > (x-rn is experimental since there is not a tag though there is clearly a
> > Renaissance vocabulary that is in some ways reminiscent of Old
> > French--medieval French--but is quite distinct from it).
>
>I'd urge you to go ahead and get a variant registered.  Fill out the
>following form and send it to ietf-languages@iana.org (register
>by sending a request to ietf-languages-request@iana.org first):
>
>    LANGUAGE SUBTAG REGISTRATION FORM
>    1. Name of requester: C. E. Whitehead
>    2. E-mail address of requester: cewcathar@hotmail.com
>    3. Record Requested:
>
>       Type: variant
>       Subtag:
>       Description: 17th-century French
>       Prefix: fr
>       Comments:
>
>    4. Intended meaning of the subtag:
>    5. Reference to published description
>       of the language (book or article):
>    6. Any other relevant information:
>
>I've filled it out in part already.  Subtags are 5-8 letters or digits
>long, and should be specific to the language in question ("Renaissance"
>means different time periods in different cultures, not to mention that
>there are other renaissances such as the Carolingian one).
>
>If your arguments are convincing, you could have a registered
>subtag within a few weeks.
>
> > But I note that that the French from the New World at the time of the
> > Renaissance & 17th C has some particularities of its own:
> >
>
>[snip]
>
> > Is a tag like:
> >               fr-US-X-rn
> > excessive?
>
>Not at all; it is very reasonable.  It says "Modern French as spoken
>in the U.S. with a private subtag 'rn'."  If you register a standard
>subtag per above, you will be able to use such combinations freely.
>
> > Or would such a tag be helpful; there is clearly a U.S. variety of
> > French today, in Louisiana, but it's "Accadian;" there's also "Cajun"
> > which combines English and French I guess.
>
>The next version of RFC 4646, which will incorporate ISO 639-3 (a
>comprehensive list of languages based on the SIL Ethnologue) will
>have codes for "Cajun French" (frc) and "Louisiana Creole French" (lou),
>as well as lots of other French creoles from outside the U.S.
>It's not currently licit to use those codes, but it's not like
>anyone could stop you.
>
>--
>But the next day there came no dawn,            John Cowan
>and the Grey Company passed on into the         cowan@ccil.org
>darkness of the Storm of Mordor and were        http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
>lost to mortal sight; but the Dead
>followed them.          --"The Passing of the Grey Company"
>

_________________________________________________________________
Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces 
http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us
Received on Friday, 10 November 2006 21:43:33 GMT

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.2.0+W3C-0.50 : Tuesday, 2 June 2009 19:17:09 GMT