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Re: What to do with Gaulish ? What to do with American Renaissance French

From: CE Whitehead <cewcathar@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:38:22 -0500
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To: www-international@w3.org

After reading about Gaulish, I thought I'd ask this:

I've been using fr-x-rn to identify Renaissance and 17th C French
(x-rn is experimental since there is not a tag though there is clearly a 
Renaissance vocabulary that is in some ways reminiscent of Old 
French--medieval French--but is quite distinct from it).

But I note that that the French from the New World at the time of the 
Renaissance & 17th C has some particularities of its own:

For example, 'canot,' an Indian word, is used for canoes, boats;
other native words are 'calumet' (the peace pipe); 'mahis' (maize); and the 
French 'boeufs' is used to mean 'bison' rather than 'cattle'; 'traitta' is 
often used to mean that a group did a combination of trading and treatying.  
There are a few more oddities as far as I can tell; I'm not an expert 
though.

Is a tag like:
               fr-US-X-rn
excessive?

Given that with the popularity of stories/journals from the new world these 
words were probably getting to be well-known back in France; and given that 
France served as the location for  publishing of these journals?

Or would such a tag be helpful; there is clearly a U.S. variety of French 
today, in Louisiana, but it's "Accadian;" there's also "Cajun" which 
combines English and French I guess.

But the 17th century is too early for that yet.

Thanks for any comments; also will a Renaissance subtag or a Cajun subtag 
ever be part of the tags on the lists?  Think we need a Renaissance subtag 
for some languages.

--CEW

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>Chris Lilley wrote:
>
> > FE> If for some reason a variant gaulish is registered later
>
> > I plan to, once I can figure out how to do it. Which is not at all
> > clear. Can anyone point to the procedure?
>
>You'd go the subtag review list and post a RFC 4646 template for this
>variant registration, if you want tags like cel-Grek-gaulish a.s.a.p.
>
>Then it's discussed for some time, maybe you modify the template based
>on these discussions, and after a defined timeout (see RFC 4646) the
>expert reviewer posts his decision.  Omitting all details.
>
> > FE> not all "valid" tags make sense... :-)
> > Not sure of your intent with that sentence, can you clarify?
>
>I thought that cel-Grek-gaulish is a hilarious idea - I missed your
>further discussion with John while I wrote my answer.  I didn't know
>that cel-Grek-gaulish is a serious example, sorry.
>
>For 4646bis there probably will be "xcg" (Gaulish, cisalpine) and
>"xtg" (transalpine) based on ISO 639-3 when it's ready.  If you can
>wait for that you can use xcg-Grek or xtg-Grek.
>
>Otherwise if you register a variant gaulish now, and use tags like
>cel-Grek-gaulish now, this could be messy later with xcg and xtg -
>should the new variant gaulish be deprecated then, etc.
>
>Frank
>
>
>

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