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RE: People's names

From: Jony Rosenne <rosennej@qsm.co.il>
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:47:22 +0200
To: "'Misha Wolf'" <Misha.Wolf@reuters.com>, <newsml-2@yahoogroups.com>, <www-international@w3.org>
Message-ID: <001601c63717$42d998d0$0100000a@QSM7>

I have three observations:

1) The proposal seems to me to be culturally biased, i.e. terms such as: given, middle, baptismal - I wouldn't know what to do with them.

2) I have two names, one Jonathan Rosenne, the other יונתן רוזן. I also have two nicknames - Jony and ג'וני. I am not the only person in this situation. I think a language attribute is needed. 

3) Arabic names are much more complicated, I hope someone will elaborate on this.

Jony

> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-international-request@w3.org 
> [mailto:www-international-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Misha Wolf
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:39 PM
> To: newsml-2@yahoogroups.com; www-international@w3.org
> Subject: People's names
> 
> 
> [For people not on the newsml-2 list: This mail forms part of a 
> thread on how to represent people's name in NewsML 2.  To join the 
> newsml-2 list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newsml-2/]
> 
> Having considered this further, I propose that we stick with a 
> single element ("name") and create distinct attributes for distinct 
> purposes.  I suggest that we should use NMTOKENS only when we need 
> to specify two values from the same family of values.
> 
> Note: NMTOKENS is a technical term for cases where an attribute 
> accepts a space-separated list of values.
> 
> 
> I see four purposes:
> 
> 
> 1. Part of name (attribute name "part")
> ---------------------------------------
> 
> Example values are: pt:given, pt:family, pt:full, pt:usual.
> 
> Default value: If @part is omitted, pt:usual is assumed.
> 
> Examples are:
> 
>   <name>Pablo Picasso</name>
>   <name part="pt:given">Pablo</name>
>   <name part="pt:family">Picasso</name>
>   <name part="pt:full">Pablo Diego José Santiago Francisco de Paula 
>     Juan Nepomuceno Crispín Crispiniano de los Remedios Cipriano de 
>     la Santísima Trinidad Ruiz Picasso</name>
> 
>   <name>George W. Bush</name>
>   <name part="pt:given">George</name>
>   <name part="pt:middle">Walker</name>
>   <name part="pt:family">Bush</name>
>   <name part="pt:full">George Walker Bush</name>
> 
> 
> 2. Social scope of name (attribute name "scope" or "role")
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Example values are: scp:original, scp:baptismal, scp: married, 
> scp:usual.
> 
> Default value: If @scope is omitted, scp:usual is assumed.
> 
> Examples are:
> 
>   <name>Marilyn Monroe</name>
>   <name scope="scp:original">Norma Jeane Mortenson</name>
>   <name scope="scp:baptismal">Norma Jeane Baker</name>
>   <name scope="scp:married">Norma Jeane Dougherty</name>
>   <name scope="scp:work scp:usual">Marilyn Monroe</name>
> 
> 
> 3. Styling of name (attribute name "style" or "form")
> -----------------------------------------------------
> 
> Example values are: st:formal, st:informal, st:sort.
> 
> There is no default value.
> 
> Examples are:
> 
>   <name style="st:formal">Michael Wolf</name>
>   <name style="st:informal">Misha Wolf</name>
>   <name style="st:sort st:informal">Wolf, Misha</name>
>   <name style="st:sort st:formal">Wolf, Michael</name>
> 
>   <name style="st:formal">Zinédine Zidane</name>
>   <name style="st:informal">Zizou</name>
>   <name style="st:sort st:formal">Zidane, Zinédine</name>
>   <name style="st:sort st:informal">Zizou</name>
> 
> 
> 4. Rendition of name (attribute name "rendition")
> -------------------------------------------------
> 
> An example value is: rnd:pronounce.
> 
> An example is:
> 
>   <name rendition="rnd:pronounce">Koizumi Jun'ichirō</name>
> 
> 
> Misha
> 
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