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Re: First Letter Styling for Indian languages

From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:03:43 +0900
Message-ID: <44619E5F.4080204@w3.org>
To: Goutam Kumar Saha <goutam.k.saha@kolkatacdac.in>
Cc: www-international@w3.org
Hello Goutam,

I received your mail. It may take some time until you see it on the
list. If it is not on the list in a few hours, I will investigate further.

Regards, Felix.

Goutam Kumar Saha wrote:
> *From:* Goutam Kumar Saha <mailto:goutam.k.saha@kolkatacdac.in>
> *To:* steve@zilles.org <mailto:steve@zilles.org>
> *Cc:* www-international@w3.org <mailto:www-international@w3.org> ;
> www-style@w3.org <mailto:www-style@w3.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:55 AM
> *Subject:* Fw: First Letter Styling for Indian languages
> 
> Hi Steve,
> The newspaper text that you have sent is not of Hindi. It is in
> Bengali only.
> Yesterday, I sent one example in Bengali.
> Thanks.
> Regards,
> Goutam
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Goutam Kumar Saha <mailto:goutam.k.saha@kolkatacdac.in>
> *To:* www-style@w3.org <mailto:www-style@w3.org> ; Richard Ishida
> <mailto:ishida@w3.org>
> *Cc:* www-international@w3.org <mailto:www-international@w3.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:58 PM
> *Subject:* Re: First Letter Styling for Indian languages
> 
> Hi All,
> For Devanagari script, Bengali and Assamese scripts etc, we often use
> first letter styling ( with or with little extended headstrokes or
> without headstrokes ). Content Editor uses increased font size / style
> face for the so called "a drop letter."  Question of aligning
> headstrokes does not arise here. Bengali example:
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Goutam
>  
>  
> 
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Jose <mailto:jose_stephen@cdactvm.in>
>     *To:* Richard Ishida <mailto:ishida@w3.org>
>     *Cc:* www-style@w3.org <mailto:www-style@w3.org> ;
>     www-international@w3.org <mailto:www-international@w3.org>
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:04 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: First Letter Styling for Indian languages
> 
>      
>     Namaste Sir
>      
>     What you pointed out is correct since south indian languages doesn't
>     have the headstrokes as in Devanagari. Moreover the feature
>     of first-letter styling is desirable in South Indian languages
>     (Malayalm,Tamil,Telugu & Kannada). I will sent  details of the rules
>     for the first letter syllabification of these languages later ..
>      
>     Thanking you
>     Jose
>      
> 
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         *From:* Richard Ishida <mailto:ishida@w3.org>
>         *To:* 'Jose' <mailto:jose_stephen@cdactvm.in> ; www-style@w3.org
>         <mailto:www-style@w3.org>
>         *Cc:* www-international@w3.org <mailto:www-international@w3.org>
>         *Sent:* Friday, May 05, 2006 6:30 PM
>         *Subject:* RE: First Letter Styling for Indian languages
> 
>         Namaste Jose,
>          
>         Thank you for your contributions about Indian typographic
>         approaches.
>          
>         Please see, in connection with this first-letter topic,
>         http://www.w3.org/blog/International/2006/01/20/request_for_feedback_usefulness_of_first
>          
>         The i18n activity discussed this with CSS WG at the Technical
>         Plenary and Elika Eternad has proposed/will propose some new
>         text that recommends that this is handled by implementations
>         using language-specific rules.  It will suggest that a good
>         starting point for implementations applying the style is
>         Unicode's default grapheme cluster (which ensures that most
>         combining characters are styled with base characters). In the
>         case of Malayalam additional rules would be needed, to apply the
>         styling to a whole syllable. 
>          
>         The question in the blog item linked to above was "Does
>         Malayalam (or another Indian script) actually do such a thing as
>         first-letter styling?"  I heard from some people in Delhi that
>         it is not typically done for Devanagari script - which is not so
>         surprising given the difficulty of aligning headstrokes.  Since
>         Malayalam doesn't have a headstroke, this doesn't apply. I take
>         it from your mail that such a feature *is* desirable for
>         Malayalam.  Please confirm. 
>          
>         RI
> 
>         ============
>         Richard Ishida
>         Internationalization Lead
>         W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
> 
>         http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/
>         http://www.w3.org/International/
>         http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/
>         http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/
> 
>          
> 
>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>             *From:* www-style-request@w3.org
>             [mailto:www-style-request@w3.org] *On Behalf Of *Jose
>             *Sent:* 05 May 2006 13:29
>             *To:* www-style@w3.org
>             *Subject:* First Letter Styling for Indian languages
> 
>              
>             In CSS3 Selectors working draft(
>             ref:http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/) I found only the
>             description of the usage of single letters for styling of
>             first letter.And it is stated that some languages have
>             specific rules about how to treat certain letter
>             combinations.(Example given was the
>             Dutch(ref:http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/#first-letter)
>             But i didn't find any description for the implementation.In
>             the case of Indian languages single letter styling is not
>             applicable.
>             The description for the styling of first letter for
>             malayalam (An Indian language) is given below.
>              
>             When using  'first-letter' pseudo element  the following
>             combinations can come .
>              
>             1.single character(vowel script or consonant script)
>              Eg:
>             സ,ക,അ,ഊ...("sa"-U+0D38,"ka"-U+0D15,"a"-U+0D05,"uu"-U+0D0A,...)
>             2.consonant cluster+vowel
>              Eg:ക്ഷ,ത്ര,‍ജ്‍ഞ,സ്കൂ...("ksha"-U+0D15U+0D4DU+0D37,"thra"-U+0D24U+0D4DU+0D30,"jna"-U+0D1CU+0D4DU+0D1E,"skuu"-U+0D38U+0D4DU+0D15U+0D42,...)
>             3.consonant+vowel marker
>              Eg:ജൌ,ഹേ,സൂ,കൈ...("jau"-U+0D1CU+0D57,"hee"-U+0D39U+0D47,"suu"-U+0D38U+0D42,"kai"-U+0D15U+0D48,...)
>              
>             Please give us your valuable suggestions for the above
>             mentioned things.
>              
>             Jose Stephen
>             CDAC-TVM(INDIA)
> 
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