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RE: New tutorial for REVIEW: Ruby Markup and Styling

From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:59:21 +0100
To: "'Masayasu Ishikawa'" <mimasa@w3.org>
Cc: <www-international@w3.org>
Message-Id: <20050627105921.6A9A54EF22@homer.w3.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Masayasu Ishikawa [mailto:mimasa@w3.org] 
> Sent: 25 June 2005 20:07
> To: Richard Ishida
> Cc: www-international@w3.org
> Subject: Re: New tutorial for REVIEW: Ruby Markup and Styling
> 
> Richard Ishida wrote:
> 
> > http://www.w3.org/International/tutorials/ruby/
> 
> Slide 32: "Internet Explorer 5 and later supports simple ruby 
> markup in HTML 4 and XHTML 1.0 documents." - there's no such 
> thing as "simple ruby markup in HTML 4 and XHTML 1.0 
> documents".  If a document contains markup not defined in 
> HTML 4 or XHTML 1.0, by definition such document is not HTML 
> 4 nor XHTML 1.0.  In practice IE won't stop processing ruby 
> markup if you (wrongly) declare HTML 2.0, 3.2 or whatever, 
> even serving the following document:
> 
>   <section>
>     <title>What's this?</title>
>     <para>This is maybe DocBook or something else, not even 
> sure whether 
>     it's XML or SGML or other thing, at least definitely not HTML -
>     is this <ruby xmlns="http://example.org/notXHTML1norXHTML2"
>     ><b>RUBY</b><rt>ruby</rt></ruby>?</para>
>   </section>
> 
> as "text/plain" can't prevent IE from processing "ruby".  So 
> it doesn't make sense at all to only mention HTML 4 and XHTML 
> 1.0 here.

I reworded the text.
http://localhost/International/tutorials/ruby/en/all.html#Slide0320

> 
> More on implementation: "XHTML Ruby Support" [1] adds ruby 
> support to Netscape 7, Mozilla and Firefox.  It does handle 
> both simple and complex ruby, including rbspan.
> 
> [1] http://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/_rubysupport.html.en

Yes.  I hadn't added this because of the rather dire-sounding warning that
comes on the download site: 
"This extension sometimes causes crush when you show popup menus, load
webpages, or operate tabs, because it intrudes into operations about loading
pages. Please don't use it if you would like to use stable browser."

Given your comment, I added a reference to it, but also addded the warning.
I'll leave it up to users to decide whether or not to chance it.

Do you have experience of using this?

Thanks, Masayasu.

> 
> Regards,
> --
> Masayasu Ishikawa / mimasa@w3.org
> W3C - World Wide Web Consortium
> 
Received on Monday, 27 June 2005 10:59:27 GMT

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