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Re: Private Use Code Points: Disagreement with our approach

From: <Misha.Wolf@reuters.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:31:22 +0100
Message-ID: <T5d8479d5c9c407b70768c@reuters.com>
To: reagle@w3.org, Donald Eastlake 3rd <dee3@torque.pothole.com>
Cc: w3c-ietf-xmldsig@w3.org, www-i18n-comments@w3.org


Sorry to be pedantic, but this comment [1] was submitted on behalf
of the XML Sig WG.  What we need is a response on behalf of the WG.
It is not clear whether Donald's response, which seems not to have
been copied to the WG, has that status.

[1] http://www.w3.org/2002/06/charmod-lastcall2/#C034

Thanks,
Misha


On 10/09/2002 22:51:39 Donald Eastlake 3rd wrote:
> If the wording has been changed to SHOULD NOT, I don't plan to persue
> this any further.
>
> Donald
>
> On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Martin Duerst wrote:
>
> > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:25:07 +0900
> > From: Martin Duerst <duerst@w3.org>
> > To: reagle@w3.org, dee3@torque.pothole.com
> > Cc: w3c-ietf-xmldsig@w3.org, www-i18n-comments@w3.org
> > Subject: Private Use Code Points: Disagreement with our approach
> >
> > Hello Joseph, Donald,
> >
> > I'm currently working on closing issue C034 on the
> > Character Model last call:
> > http://www.w3.org/International/Group/2002/charmod-lc/#C034
> >
> > This says:
> > (my comments indicated by ####)
> >
> >  >>>>
> >      Private Use Code Points: Disagreement with our approach
> >
> >      * Comment (received 2002-05-24) -- Re: 2nd Last Call for the
> >        Character Model for the WWW
> >
> >        I've tried to reconcile our original comments [1], your latest
> >        spec [2], and the disposition of issues [3]. Fortunately, we had
> >        few comments and most were FYI but I fear I've failed on some of
> >        the substantive ones.
> >
> >        [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-i18n-comments/2001Feb/0017
> >
> >        [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-charmod-20020430
> >
> >        [3] http://www.w3.org/International/Group/charmod-lc/
> >
> >        For instance, LCC-117 [4] was summarized as, "Section 3.6.2 (Private
> >        Use Code Points): Disagreement with our approach". [5] LCI-95's
> >        disposition is "N - Y S". I presume this means you don't agree with
> >        the comment, there's no change, the issue is closed, and it was a
> >        substantive issue.
> >
> > #### Yes, your interpretation is correct. We told you about the
> > #### rejection in [8], and you accepted it in [9] (although you
> > #### deferred to Donald as this being his comment, but we never
> > #### heard from Donald at all).
> >
> >        But I don't know if we didn't explain ourselves
> >        well, or why you disagreed?
> >
> > #### You explained yourself well, and we explained our disagreement in [8].
> >
> >        So when I consider the original text
> >        "Specifications MUST NOT provide mechanisms for private agreement
> >        between parties." [6] I can see was was of concern. When I check
> >        the latest version I see "Specifications SHOULD NOT provide mechanisms
> >        for agreement on private use code points between parties and MUST NOT
> >        require the use of such mechanisms." [7]
> >
> > #### The specification has changed due to requests from others.
> > #### Our understanding was that this change wasn't in conflict with
> > #### your comment, so we didn't contact you again.
> >
> >        So that seems to have
> >        changed -- after a lot of time and confusion on my part?!
> >
> > #### Sorry for the confusion
> >
> >        [4] http://www.w3.org/International/Group/charmod-lc/#LCC-117
> >        [5] http://www.w3.org/International/Group/charmod-lc/#LCI-95
> >        [6] http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/WD-charmod-20010126/#sec-Encodings
> >        [7] http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-charmod-20020430/#sec-PrivateUse
> >
> >      * We don't know what is being requested.
> >  >>>>
> >
> > If the only thing that is being requested is clarification, then
> > I hope the explanations above are satisfactory. If more is requested,
> > then please clarify exactly what this is, at your earliest convenience.
> >
> >
> > Regards,     Martin.
> >
> > [8] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-ietf-xmldsig/2001JulSep/0191.html
> > [9] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-ietf-xmldsig/2001JulSep/0216.html
> >
> >
>
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