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Re: name="" deprecated in XHTML

From: Sebastian Mendel <lists@sebastianmendel.de>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 09:39:56 +0200
Message-ID: <4869DF4C.3090200@sebastianmendel.de>
To: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com>
CC: Johannes Koch <koch@w3development.de>, www-html@w3.org

Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis schrieb:
> 
> Sebastian Mendel wrote:
>> isn't it common to use
>>
>> <input type="radio" name="color" value="red" />
>> <input type="radio" name="color" value="blue" />
>>
>> or
>>
>> <input type="checkbox" name="color[]" value="red" />
>> <input type="checkbox" name="color[]" value="blue" />
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> so isn't it confusing to say on other elements ID and NAME share same 
>> space and name has to be unique?
> 
> No, since the spec as Johannes Koch quoted lists which elements this 
> rule applies to:
> 
> [...]

i know what the spec says, that why it is confusing, name is treated one 
time unique and another not


> getElementsByName appears to apply to all of these:
> 
> http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-HTML/html.html#ID-71555259
> 
> Note there is, more helpfully perhaps, a getElementsById method. Also 

it is called getElementById(), without s there is always only one element 
with the given ID


> In the case of form controls, values of ID and NAME may differ, for 
> example:
> [...]

yes, again, thats why it is confusing


> The selected value is submitted to the server with fruit as the key, 
> e.g. fruit=orange. But the ID attribute uniquely identifies a particular 
> option and associates it with (technically one or more, but usually one) 
> LABEL element via the FOR attribute.

i think i know how this works after since nearly 20 years doing web stuff


>> so just thought deprecating name on some elements is the wrong way
> 
> Only the use of NAME instead of ID has been deprecated (1 out of 4 above)

not "the use of NAME instead of ID" but "the use of NAME" has deprecated


> (X)HTML doesn't need another generic means of arbitrarily grouping 
> elements in a document (that's what CLASS is for)

i do not agree


> or uniquely identifying elements in a document (that's what ID is for).

this is not the topic of this thrad


> JavaScript libraries have plugged the gap in the W3C DOM by defining 
> getElementsByClassName functions, for example:
> 
> http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/docs/YAHOO.util.Dom.html#method_getElementsByClassName 

i know this, mentioned in an earlier posting and their drawback


> Browser implementors are beginning to add such functions to their DOM 
> implementations, for example:
> 
> http://webkit.org/blog/153/webkit-gets-native-getelementsbyclassname/
> 
> The HTML5 draft proposes to standardize it:
> 
> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#getelementsbyclassname

nice to see, but i still see a difference between classes and names ...

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Sebastian Mendel
Received on Tuesday, 1 July 2008 07:39:07 GMT

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