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Re: tables in html? (separating content bla bla)

From: Livio Mondini <livio.mondini@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:02:52 +0200
Message-ID: <b3532a4e0709220402j6e3cac08y7f95aa485be1376@mail.gmail.com>
To: "David Woolley" <forums@david-woolley.me.uk>
Cc: "www-html@w3.org" <www-html@w3.org>

2007/9/22, David Woolley <forums@david-woolley.me.uk>:
> Any long term solution to the problems that people are currently
> addressing with layout tables belongs in the style language, not HTML.

Yes, but the problem is not css. Table model
<http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/tables.html#h-11.1> "allows authors
to arrange data -- text, preformatted text, images, links, forms, form
fields, other tables, etc. -- into rows and columns of cells". Table
arrange all this contents and organize presentation.
This is a layout table.
Maybe, i have real data to organize, and i use table for. This is a data table.
In first case, table work for presentation only, in the second organize data.
If the model is the same, is impossible to separate content from presentation.
Confusion, and abuse, and justification of layout tables is embedded
on definition.

> > What is structure? titolo1 or h1?
>
> I'm not sure what the question is, but "structure" generally means
> identifying that "titolo1" is a heading and that it is a first level
> heading, so the answer is probably "h1".  Note that XHTML 2.0 proposes

Yes, this is good sense, but, for example, for WAI structure is "The
structure of a document is how it is organized logically". Logically?
For 3P3, for example, is "A hierarchical description of a set of data elements".
Now, titolo1 is *my* logical order, and i try to accomodate my logical
structure in a correspondent element of hmtl. I search in dtd and i
find that <h1> describes correctly the logic scope of my paragraph of
text, and i use it for structural description of my element.
Is html a simplified clone of normal.dot?

Livio



> the use of section elements that nest with the actual document
> hierarchy, so better reflect the overall document structure, and also a
> heading (h, I think) element that identifies an heading of the
> appropriate level for the depth of nesting.
>
> Separating content and presentation means using style sheets to indicate
> how h1 headers should appear, and, in particular, not simulating h1
> headers by using <p><bold><font.....
>
>
> --
> David Woolley
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