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Re: [Structure Module] Renaming the <html> element to more semantic name

From: Karl Dubost <karl@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:52:28 -0500
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To: XHTML-Liste <www-html@w3.org>

Le 2005-11-24 à 23:45, Ai / Hiro a écrit :
> The WG has worked on the spec using English words for the  
> vocabulary, and the topic here is which word is more accurate as  
> the element name, "document" or "html" in *English*. This  
> comparison is equivalent to of <文書> ("document" in Japanese)  
> with <ハイパーテキストマークアップ言語> ("HyperText  
> Markup Language" in Japanese), but not of <document> with <d67xgh>.  
> As long as an element name is human-readable, any-develop-community- 
> lookupable, and should be more descriptive, the name itself--not  
> only the definition attached to it--should be more semantic even in  
> the one particular natural language.

My point was that, semantics is not an absolute concept. The meaning  
of something is given by the use and the group of people. You are  
perfectly illustrating what I was saying. :)
Spelled words are empty and the element "document" has not more sense  
than element "html" (specifically after 15 years of history by a  
social group). I could go through semiotics, etc. but that would be  
not worthwhile and completely off topic.

7.1. The html element

The html element is the root element for all XHTML Family Document  
Types. The xml:lang attribute is required on this element.

-- XHTML 2.0 - XHTML Document Module
Fri, 27 May 2005 21:57:41 GMT

And some of the possible definitions for document at that point in  
time in the human language, not a markup language.

*** Source: WordNet (r) 2.0 ***
      n 1: writing that provides information (especially information of
           an official nature) [syn: {written document}, {papers}]
      2: anything serving as a representation of a person's thinking
         by means of symbolic marks
      3: a written account of ownership or obligation
      4: (computer science) a computer file that contains text (and
         possibly formatting instructions) using 7-bit ASCII
         characters [syn: {text file}]
      v 1: record in detail; "The parents documented every step of
           their child's development"
      2: support or supply with references; "Can you document your

But I really believe we are drifting away of the topic and the plain  

Karl Dubost - http://www.w3.org/People/karl/
W3C Conformance Manager
*** Be Strict To Be Cool ***
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