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Re: domain distinction between @role and @class is unenforceably vague [was: Re: p in address tag?]

From: Orion Adrian <orion.adrian@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:11:48 -0500
Message-ID: <abd6c8010511110811qffc0f46h91171090a4ab7b49@mail.gmail.com>
To: www-html@w3.org

On 11/10/05, Kelly Miller <lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> wrote:
> Orion Adrian wrote:
>
> ><address id="creator role="creator_address">
> >         <span about="#creator" property="author">John Foliot</span>
> >         <span about="#creator" property="company">WATS.ca</span>
> >         <span about="#creator" property="city_state">Ottawa, ON</span>
> >         <span about="#creator" property="country">Canada</span>
> >         <span about="#creator" property="email">foliot@wats.ca</span>
> >         <span about="#creator" property="website">http://www.wats.ca</span>
> ></address>
> >
> >Though a simpler, more concise version would be:
> >
> ><address role="creator_address">
> >         <author>John Foliot</author>
> >         <company>WATS.ca</company>
> >         <city>Ottawa</city>
> >         <state>ON</state>
> >         <country>Canada</country>
> >         <email>foliot@wats.ca</email>
> >         <website>http://www.wats.ca</website>
> ></address>
> >
> >
> We're back at my original point (sort of).  Wouldn't this be somewhat
> more semantically relevant?
>
> <address id="creator role="creator_address">
>         <p about="#creator" property="author">John Foliot</p>
>         <p about="#creator" property="company">WATS.ca</p>
>         <p about="#creator" property="city_state">Ottawa, ON</p>
>         <p about="#creator" property="country">Canada</p>
>         <p about="#creator" property="email">foliot@wats.ca</p>
>         <p about="#creator" property="website">http://www.wats.ca</p>
> </address>
>
> or even
>
> <address id="creator role="creator_address">
>         <l about="#creator" property="author">John Foliot</l>
>         <l about="#creator" property="company">WATS.ca</l>
>         <l about="#creator" property="city_state">Ottawa, ON</l>
>         <l about="#creator" property="country">Canada</l>
>         <l about="#creator" property="email">foliot@wats.ca</l>
>         <l about="#creator" property="website">http://www.wats.ca</l>
> </address>
>
> Span is meant as a generic containing element, is it not?  As a result,
> I think we can find a better solution than span here.

I would agree that "l" is a better choice here, but I believe "p" is
not. If for no other reason than that paragraphs often have non-zero
margins and specifying the display rules for address and p would be
simpler if p couldn't be imbedded in structured blocks like addresses.

Besides l fits better with the semantics you're trying to deliver
except in one case which is

         <l about="#creator" property="city_state">Ottawa, ON</l>

which should probably be:

         <l><span about="#creator" property="city">Ottawa</span>,
<span about="#creator" property="state">ON<span></l>

There's no semantic need for symmetry here and the seperation does us
more good especially if we also add zip code which is common for some
countries.

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Orion Adrian
Received on Friday, 11 November 2005 16:12:03 GMT

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