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Re: p in address tag?

From: Orion Adrian <orion.adrian@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:55:02 -0500
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On 11/10/05, John Foliot - WATS.ca <foliot@wats.ca> wrote:
> David Woolley wrote:
> >> That's the use that the element was designed for which can also be
> >> written:
> >>
> >> Orion Adrian 123 Barrier St. Lizardlick, NC 21001 United States
> >
> > It would be written like:
> >
> >   Orion Adrian, 123 Barrier St., Lizardlick, United States, NC 21001
> >
> > and that is typically exactly how it would be presented in academic
> > papers, except that it would be in italics.  Things like address and
> > cite are semantic markup for things that would be typically set in
> > italics in a printed, English language, academic paper.
> This has been an interesting thread so far.
> ADDRESS has been underused for quite some time, which is a shame really,
> because it does have a semantic meaning, vague as it is.
> However, with XHTML2 I am super-excited with the idea of @role (I think
> it is/was a flash of brilliance), and I believe, by the spec
> (http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-role.html#s_rolemodule), @role could
> and would solve the very problems discussed so far.
> No where in the spec does it say that there can only be *one* instance
> of ADDRESS in any document, so all we really need to do is "define" what
> we as authors mean when we use the ADDRESS element.  Consider:
>         <address role="author">John Foliot</address>
>         <address role="company">WATS.ca</address>
>         <address role="city_state">Ottawa, ON</address>
>         <!-- this one is weak, but I'm working off the top of my head
> -->
>         <address role="country">Canada</address>
>         <address role="email">foliot@wats.ca</address>
>         <address role="website">http://www.wats.ca</address>
> ...etc. etc.  Due to @role's extensible nature (via RDF), this now gives
> the *idea* of Address[1] some definition, there could be a core list
> (which I believe is already being developed:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-role.html#col_Role) or a *unique*
> definition as required.  Since, by default ADDRESS is a block level
> element, without author intervention it displays on individual lines
> (addressing the visualization issue), but may also be styled differently
> via CSS/DOM
> Here and now considerations:  OK, so XHTML2 is still a draft, however
> this does not preclude using ADDRESS as described above, minus the real
> semantic definitions afford by @role.  However the tricky ID attribute
> or the less useful TITLE attribute could both stand-in in a pinch today,
> validating to HTML 4 and beyond.
> Thoughts?
> JF
> --
> John Foliot  foliot@wats.ca
> Web Accessibility Specialist / Co-founder of WATS.ca
> Web Accessibility Testing and Services
> http://www.wats.ca
> Phone: 1-613-482-7053
> Address (n.)
>          1. A description of the location of a person or organization,
> as written or printed on mail as directions for delivery: wrote down the
> address on the envelope.
>          2. The location at which a particular organization or person
> may be found or reached: went to her address but no one was home.
> Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Address

I think we have to be very careful here with @role.

We have to precisely differentiate between classification and role.
Classification seems to specify a is-a relationship while role seems
to specify serves-as-the which has a subtle difference.

@role seems to specify unique portions of the page while
class(ification) and the element name specify the generic formatting
structure for that element (paragraph, heading, list, etc.)


Orion Adrian
Received on Thursday, 10 November 2005 13:55:11 UTC

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