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Re: p in address tag?

From: Orion Adrian <orion.adrian@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:02:44 -0500
Message-ID: <abd6c8010511091002q403011f3xbf43d028a75f3d67@mail.gmail.com>
To: www-html@w3.org

On 11/8/05, Kelly Miller <lightsolphoenix@gmail.com> wrote:
> Orion Adrian wrote:
> >This all goes back to the HTML's original intentions of marking up the
> >basic building blocks of a document through the standard communication
> >methods of the day.
> >
> >However it seems very much that we're confused at this point since we
> >seem to be advocating getting rid of some of these basic building
> >blocks (like address) and not getting rid of the other building blocks
> >(like p). P is in the same exact category of semantics that Hn,
> >ADDRESS and UL are. P really means argument, idea, group of thoughts,
> >etc. It has different meanings. Here someone was advocating its usage
> >for addresses.
> >
> >But ADDRESS itself means more than author. It could be a destination
> >on an envelope or the source address on a letter. Look at documents
> >from 10 years ago and you'll see a very close correlation between the
> >structures used in them and the elements of early HTML.
> >
> >--
> >
> >Orion Adrian
> >
> >
> I'm not suggesting getting rid of <address>.  My point is that the term
> "address" in ambiguous by nature; I have used <address> to mark up
> copyright statements, because technically copyright is an address for
> the copyright holder.  I've seen it used to do mailing addresses, email
> addresses, addresses for individuals, etc.
> It's exact meaning is ambiguous.  And this is complicated by the
> insistence of W3C that it only contain inline elements.  Every example
> of <address> I've ever seen has used <br /> inside it; but <br /> is
> mainly presentational.  It's impossible to style decently, so authors
> (like me) are forced to use <span> and convert <span> into a block level
> element.  This seems, to me, to be both structurally and semantically
> wrong.  Basically, I'm asking if W3C can either change <address> to act
> like a full block container (like <div> and <p> do), or to clarify
> exactly what <address> is meant to do in XHTML somewhere in the specs.
> What's there at this point is very vague.

My point is that ADDRESS is used for this kind of address:

Orion Adrian
123 Barrier St.
Lizardlick, NC 21001
United States

That's the use that the element was designed for which can also be written:

Orion Adrian 123 Barrier St. Lizardlick, NC 21001 United States

Though I wouldn't recommend the second usage. What it's actually used
for I believe is a result of not being very precise in the spec and in
examples. So the question is what you feel it's used for. And whether
or not the above usage should exist either as this element or another.


Orion Adrian
Received on Wednesday, 9 November 2005 18:04:38 UTC

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