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Re: separator abuse

From: Edward Lass <elass@goer.state.ny.us>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 10:17:43 -0400
Message-Id: <s29c39ed.034@mail.goer.state.ny.us>
To: <www-html@w3.org>

You mean verses might not fit neatly into paragraphs? You mean the Bible
doesn't consist of hierarchical information?

You mean one of the most important historical works in human history
(to say nothing of its spiritual significance for many) can't become
well-formed XML?

If I recall the advice we've gotten in the past, "By using XML, you've
implied that every group has a containing element. Kicking and
screaming? Perhaps, but that's how XML works. If you don't like it,
perhaps you shouldn't use a tree-based markup language."[1]

I guess the Bible can't be on the web anymore. Sorry, Johannes.

- Ed.

[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2005May/0073.html 

>>> Johannes Koch <koch@w3development.de> 5/30/2005 5:55:15 PM >>>

Thanks, Lachlan, for the summary.

Lachlan Hunt wrote:
> 
> I have finally completed my analysis of the issues surrounding the 
> separator element, and published my results.
> http://lachy.id.au/log/2005/05/separator-elements 
> 
> I've attempted to define its semantics, and propose some more
suitable 
> markup constructs to achieve the same semantics.

# Usage
# Book Chapters and Topics
#
# In books, and other similar publications, such separators are often
# used to indicate a minor change in topic, scene or perspective.
These
# changes, or divisions, are usually smaller than a whole chapter and,
# in fact, a chapter may contain many such divisions with each
separated
# visually with some kind of rule, stars or other graphical
# representation.

Additionally, the structure of separated perspectives may not fit into

the structure of chapters/sections etc., e.g.

<section> ... This is perspective 1 ... This is perspective
2</section>
<section>This is still perspective 2 ... This is perspective 1 
again</section>

Which is just like what I find in my bible. Division into chapters and

verse numbering sometimes look as if done by chance :-) whereas 
paragraphs are printed according to the structure of the story. How do

you markup this?
<chapter>
   <verse>...</verse>
   <verse>...</verse>
   <verse>...</verse>
   <paragraphBreak/>
   <verse>...</verse>
   <verse>...</verse>
</chapter>
<chapter>
   <verse>...</verse>
   <verse>...</verse>
   <paragraphBreak/>
</chapter>
?
-- 
Johannes Koch
In te domine speravi; non confundar in aeternum.
                             (Te Deum, 4th cent.)




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