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Re: separator abuse

From: Orion Adrian <orion.adrian@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 09:32:04 -0400
Message-ID: <abd6c801050529063222a1556d@mail.gmail.com>
To: www-html@w3.org

Elements and rules are abused when there isn't an easier way to do
what you want to do within the language.

Tables were ab used because at first there wasn't a good positioning
system and later because CSS positioning hurts.

In the above, separator hurts because there isn't an appropriate
grouping mechanism as there is in every operating system. That's why
it's abused. I program every day and I can tell you that there are
days that I try and coax controls into whatever behavior I can if
there isn't a control already out there. I, like may people, follow
the path of least resistence.

Separator needs to stay, but we clearly also need other tools.

On 5/29/05, Jim Ley <jim@jibbering.com> wrote:
> "Sjoerd Visscher" <sjoerd@w3future.com> wrote in message
> news:429990DE.1050900@w3future.com...
> > This an absolute abuse of the element, and the reason why I was against it
> > in the first place. I now think that the chance for abuse is too big, and
> > the number of cases where separator has real use is too small. So
> > separator should be dropped.
> I agree with this issue, but please raise it on www-html-editor@w3.org and
> xhtml2-issues@hades.mn.aptest.com so that the Working Group can address it,
> it's not an issue unless it's sent there.
> Cheers,
> Jim.
Received on Sunday, 29 May 2005 13:32:08 UTC

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