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Re: [XHTML2] exclude switch and case as presentational

From: Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:04:57 -0500
Message-ID: <42AE0309.2040401@aptest.com>
To: "John Foliot - WATS.ca" <foliot@wats.ca>
CC: "'Orion Adrian'" <orion.adrian@gmail.com>, www-html@w3.org

Remember that XML Events and XForms are part of XHTML 2 - so behaviors 
are native to the language.  Its fine to talk about semantics vs. 
behavior vs. presentation - we do it all the time in the HTML Working 
Group.  But don't forget that the whole idea of XML Events was to allow 
embedding behavior *without scripting*.  Exposing the DOM and DOM events 
into the document space makes it pretty easy to do a lot of things that 
today require scripting.  You can debate about whether that's a good 
idea or not, but...  that's the direction the language is going.

John Foliot - WATS.ca wrote:

>Orion Adrian wrote:
>>We're bound to get at least a few differing opinions here, but this is
>>where I stand. If HTML doesn't allow for any specificity of behavior,
>>where is this to be specified? It's nice to be able to say, "not my
>>problem", but we do have to take this into consideration. Whose
>>problem is it? 
>XHTML 2 - semantic logic
>Scripting (JS?) - behaviour
>CSS - presentation
>Yes? No? Maybe?
>If currently scripting/DOM manipulation is lacking, should that be XHTML's
>problem any more than it is CSS's problem?
>If you insist on using behavioural HTML, use an older doc type that allow
>this: remember that HTML 4.01 is perfectly stable and usable for 99% of
>current web sites/applications out there today.
>John Foliot  foliot@wats.ca
>Web Accessibility Specialist / Co-founder of WATS.ca
>Web Accessibility Testing and Services
>Phone: 1-613-482-7053

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