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Re: tag for notion and compound indication

From: Orion Adrian <orion.adrian@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:11:34 -0400
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On 8/4/05, acc10-2005-67@gmx.de <acc10-2005-67@gmx.de> wrote:
> Orion Adrian wrote:
> > The only things that should be marked up
> > are those things that a computer cannot
> > do itself.
> Ok, but thats why the marking of notions and compound break points is an
> issue for the coder.
> How should a machine know on its own the notion structure of a text or the
> compounds? I know that their is a lot of research in artifical inteligence
> but I do not expect my machine to get in touch with it soon ;-). In fact
> only the comound break point analysis could be done automatically, but only
> by checking the text against highly qualified dictionaries and I do not see
> this as an appropriate solution, when you can store this information in the
> document itself.
> Maybe my suggestion was missunderstood. By no way I long for marking up all
> and every notion in a text, but only those considred by the author as to be
> of relevance for e.g. indexing or to get an idea of the documents content
> (of interest for more structured web search). So far, maybe <nfi> (notion
> for index) or <nor> (notion of relevance) instead of <n> (preferred because
> of length) would have been clearer suggestions, maybe my English wasn't good
> enough to transport my idea. In Germany we know "Schlagwort" or "Stichwort"
> but there seems to be no equivalent English word in my dictionary.
> If interested in an example, please scroll down.
> Of course no one should be "forced" to use notion if not interested in
> adding this semantic information (means <n> should be an optional tag), just
> the same way no one is forced to indicate all abbreviations used with <abbr>
> if their is no benefit from it.
> Do you remember printed literature? It had such indexes in the appendix. And
> I consider them a good approach for the web as well, between the both
> extremes "site/document search" and "sitemap/table of content".
> -----------------
> An example to demonstrate potential use of a <n> tag:
> Text copied and pasted from
> http://www.pitt.edu/~heinisch/ca_germ.html
> Author: Patricia Dinsmore
> <p>
> The Germans have traditionally regarded their model as "<n>Sonderweg</n>",
> that is a middle of the road approach between free <n>market liberalism</n>
> and <n>state-centered socialism</n>. The <n>welfare system</n> is an
> integrated part of Germany's "<n>social market economy</n>." Particularly
> significant is the fact that in Germany, more than in most countries,
> welfare policies have been mechanisms of <n>economic governance</n>. That is
> welfare policies are designed to enhance <n>employment effects</n> by
> withdrawing <n>surplus labor</n> from the economy. In short, early
> retirement schemes or long university programs serve to constrain the supply
> of labor when unemployment rates are high. This has prompted critics to
> charge that Germany has the oldest students, youngest retirees and longest
> vacationing workers in the world.
> </p>
> With a dedicated user agent or server side processing this could result in
> an alphabetical index like:
> - economic governance
> - economy, social market
> - effects, employment
> - employment effects
> - governance, economic
> - labor, surplus
> - liberalism, market
> - market economy, social
> - market liberalism
> - socialism, state-centered
> - social market economy
> - Sonderweg
> - state-centered socialism
> - surplus labor
> - system, welfare
> - welfare system

What you're looking for it something to mark up text as important.
Keyword would probably be a more accurate term and I believe it's
already been brought up and it's something I already support. I got
confused by the term notion which doesn't represent what you're
talking about here.

Orion Adrian


Orion Adrian
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