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RE: XHTML and RDF

From: Orion Adrian <oadrian@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:10:10 -0500
To: www-html@w3.org
Message-ID: <BAY1-F109pQOaVj9ME20000fff2@hotmail.com>

>Some of them I will have to think about further, but if I may address
>one now:
>
> > I think it [MB - the reference to another part of the document] would
>be much
> > more usable from an authoring perspective, however, as something like
>(conceptual
> > example only):
> >
> >  <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2003/xhtml">
> >     <head>
> >       <title>Some quotes</title>
> >     </head>
> >     <body>
> >       <blockquote>
> >         <link
>rel="source">http://example.com/tolkien/twotowers.html</link>
> >         <p>They went in single file ... </p>
> >       </blockquote>
> >     </body>
> >   </html>
>
>I agree with you that is also a useful syntax, but I have been trying to
>find a way of supporting both constructs - the indirection one and this
>one. The problem is that if you make <link> and <meta> refer to their
>parent element (which is also nice from an RDF viewpoint), then you have
>to come up with a way of indicating that the statements inside <head>
>refer to the document. I had some ideas on that, but decided to leave
>them for later - however, hopefully if the general view is that the
>proposal is going in the right direction then we can try to tackle the
>subtleties.
>

My question is why we need a head element or an html element in the first 
place.  Essentially it's currently being used to describe body.  Why not 
move the elements from head into body and then make body the highest level 
element.  You could rename it back to html if people wanted.  Then you 
generalize the model allowing the various elements in head to be attached to 
elements anywhere... though one might want to limit the list of elements 
that allow this behavior.

Orion Adrian

> > The common point here is removing indirection. Namespaces, IDREFs, and
>RDF
> > assertions about remote resources (even "remote" as in "lower down in
>this
> > document") are all examples of indirection. Authors hate indirection.
>
>Mmm ... and some authors love it! My main goal was to try and provide a
>number of ways of expressing information, such that the author could
>choose whatever level they felt comfortable with - but with the ultimate
>goal that the many systems we have for dealing with metadata could take
>advantage of the wealth of information contained in documents.
>
>Thanks for the extremely useful input.
>
>Regards,
>
>Mark
>
>
>Mark Birbeck
>CEO and CTO
>x-port.net Ltd.
>
>http://www.formsPlayer.com/
>

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