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Re: Breaking out Headers, Footers and Navigation

From: Orion Adrian <oadrian@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 06:51:42 -0400
To: www-html@w3.org
Message-ID: <BAY1-F156EgxursemAA00048f7d@hotmail.com>

> > Stylesheets have absolutely nothing to do with semantics like this.
>
>That's true, but what I was saying was that the right way to provide
>a lot of the information that goes into headers and footers is as
>link elements or meta references.  E.g. having copyright notices
>in the main content serves only a legal purpose and doesn't help
>normal readers; the legal requirement would be met if the browser
>provided access to the copyright information - in Windows user
>interface terms, this is generally provided in the Help | About
>box, so it doesn't seem as though there is pressure to have it
>constantly visible.  Proper browser supports for links to a navigation
>page would have made frames unnecessary.
>
>Moreover, what I was also saying is that, if browsers haven't provided
>explicit support for similar features, they are unlikely to do so
>for new ones, so the only way that the average author will get these
>features actioned by a browser is by providing a style sheet.  As they
>can provide a style sheet, it means that the addition of such a feature
>isn't completely hostage to browsers.
>
>I think I was also suggesting that having most of this material displayed
>in the main window is actually a styling issue.
>
>Footers, in particular, are there for metadata an links that the authors
>feel obliged to include but want to hide as much as possible, consistent
>with still making them available for viewing on all browsers, e.g.
>copyright notices, and site map links (they are there to meet accessibility
>requirments and/or because they are afraid that search engines won't
>follow the same link as a link element).  Grouping this information into
>a footer is a pure styling issue.  There is a large element of styling
>in the choice of what goes into a header, as well.

As I said in the original post, perhaps header and footer shouldn't be 
there... however navigation is definately something that I'd like to see 
pulled out of content. So, as the original poster, can I please get us to 
talk about that first and then headers and footers later?

Orion Adrian

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